Posted on 10/29/2002 5:18:29 AM PST by xzins
You and I both know that you have not answered the question. Yes or No, Amba?
I appreciate your calling me names. It simply proves, you are trying to find another strategy to avoid answering the question found in italics above
And so long as you avoid answering the question, you also confirm that it is legitimate for me to use available evidence to determine your answer.
It's based on 6 passages in Rev 20, 1 passage in 1 Co 15, Is 24, Is 65, 2 Pe 3, Jer 33, and every passage that speaks of God's promises to Israel.
The scripture about "baptism for the dead" in 1Co15 that is used by the Mormon Church to teach that you can baptize yourself for your great-great-great grandmother has ZERO other support in the bible unless you want to tell me about other verses that support it.
Now, would you please tell me the verse(s) that SAYS that the Messiah will not reign on the earth?
Becky
You are satisfied with your own interpretation and are also quite satisfied that it contradicts your beliefs about a bodily resurrection.I don't believe that JESUS was dealing with the issue of ressurection in the original citation from the John 6 passage. Do you think He was ?
All I did was ask you if Jesus saying something is "spirit" means that it is "symbolic." You have not been able or willing to entertain the thought. You accept that "spirit" equals "symbolic" dogmatically. That is fine.
I don't believe I used the word 'symbolic' or entertained the concept. Do you think that I did ?
What I did do was to make the point that JESUS was encouraging and emphasizing SPIRITUALITY in the John 6 passage, as opposed to PHYSICALITY. He begins this emphasis in verse 26 of the passage and continues with it until the end of the chapter.
Not clear at all Chuck
A very good example. And there are some who take this passage as literal. You might be one of those but I do not know.
For those who do take this literally I ask the question..how am I to literally eat Christ's flesh and drink Christ's blood?
Answer...It can't be done literally so what do we have left?
I am unaware of any controversy until the 9th century. Who was debating it in the second?
Sure. The earliest Christians did believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.The earliest Christians ? You must mean the apostles and their contemporaries. Interesting that not one of them wrote about the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
The Romans considered them cannibals because of this.
The earliest Christians first lived among and were persecuted by the Jews. Interesting that Jewish objections to the Way did not include the issue of Christian canabalism.
What man-made traditions had arisen by the time of the Roman persecution ... I am not privy to.
This belief was passed down through Christ's apostles to the present.
Again I note, with interest, that none of Christ's apostles considered this belief to be worthy of documenting.
So to conclude that your interpretation is the only faithful one would be an historical inaccuracy.
My concern with any interpretation (understanding) of the written word is it's faithfulness to the written word.
What do you thinK?
But, good my brother,
Do not, as some ungracious pastors do,
Show me the steep and thorny way to heaven;
Whiles, like a puff'd and reckless libertine,
Himself the primrose path of dalliance treads,
And recks not his own rede. -Ophelia to Laertes in Hamlet
My concern with any interpretation (understanding) of the written word is it's faithfulness to the written word.My rationale for the above ...
I can corroborate the written word (i.e. I can know that this is what was written by the apostles). Unfortunately, I cannot corroborate any similar basis for purely orally propogated tradition which may or may not hearken back to the time and tradition of the apostles.
Been there. Done that. Got the vaccination.
I can appreciate your position. Your security in what is authentic Christianity rests on a methodology you have created for yourself. Otherwise, you would have to have faith.
Well, we don't really jump the pews...I just say that to get a rile out of the folks that need more fiber in their diets.
I can corroborate the written word (i.e. I can know that this is what was written by the apostles). Unfortunately, I cannot corroborate any similar basis for purely orally propogated tradition which may or may not hearken back to the time and tradition of the apostles.I can appreciate your position. Your security in what is authentic Christianity rests on a methodology you have created for yourself. Otherwise, you would have to have faith.
My FAITH is in JESUS, nothing more, nothing less.
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