"How we doin', any converts today?"
"Not a one, nay, nay, nay."
"We flattened their fingers, we branded their buns!
Nothing is working! Send in the nuns!"
Posted on 10/26/2002 1:59:09 PM PDT by polemikos
"How we doin', any converts today?"
"Not a one, nay, nay, nay."
"We flattened their fingers, we branded their buns!
Nothing is working! Send in the nuns!"
...then how do you know that their, shall we say, UNIQUE interpretation of "Upon this rock..." is not ALSO nothing more than the slick lie of a false snake-oil religion?
If their claim of "infallibility" has now been shattered, destroyed, and debunked, (IT HAS) then what makes you think you are a member of "God's true church"?
On what basis do you believe that? Is it: "ok, they lied about Mary, but they might be telling the truth about the OTHER stuff"? Are you willing to defy God's Word, which you WILLFULLY have CHOSEN to disregard and not read, and hang your ETERNAL SALVATION on an organization whose credibility (which you are staking your salvation on) is now utterly bankrupt?
Are you truly THAT dumb, Chuck?
Yes Chuck they do change that is why we need an anchor to the truth, because God does not change, what was sin then is sin now, what was false then is false now, what was an abomination to God then , is an abomination now.
When you place your beliefs in the hand of men and tradition they will fail every time ..the Word of God will never fail ..it will never change
Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hbr 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
I stake my salvation on Christ's sacrifice and I believe the Holy Roman Catholic Church is THE Church that Christ instituted, and that it's truths contain the elements required to imitate my Lord and Savior. I have looked at the alternatives and rejected them, especially the one that holds the bible as some kind of Rubek's cube, whose perpetual manipulation substitutes as sanctity. If you want to attract people to even consider what you believe then you would do well to follow the pope's example of asking forgiveness for past wrongs and showing respect for others' faiths.
I've got to go away for a few days but I will remember you as I pray the rosary, meditating on the luminous mysteries this evening. Pax et bonum.
If His mother was so unimportant, as most Protestants would have us believe, and his brothers were so numerous then why would Jesus bother to say anything and why would it be in the Scriptures?
The Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan;
the Wedding Feast at Cana (where Jesus fullfilled His mother's request);
The announcement of the Kingdom;
The Transfiguration:
and the Institution of the Eucharist.
Thank God for the rosary and its strength against evil!
You can never again plead ignorance of what the Bible says in these matters, or claim that you didn't know that God has commanded His people to get out of the organization He calls "The Whore of Babylon".
The theological ball has most definitely been put into YOUR court, and it's now your responsibility to delve into these matters which you've been avoiding by purposely NOT reading God's Word.
I genuinely wish you well.
I would not suppose that anyone on the street could tell me what Revelation means. Why should I accept your view of a book that Luther removed from the cannon?
I was a protestant and I know what it means to only accept my own interpretation. But one day I woke up to the Truth. "unless you recognise the Body and Blood of Christ in the Holy meal you will be guilty of grave sin." The Eucharist is Jesus Christ in the world today. He is not in the Bible in the same way. We cannot eat the Bible and become like Christ, one body.
This is the crux of the problem. We as Christians must find a way to unite, not separate.
There are only two reasons to join the Catholic Church; it is the only place in which your sins can be truly forgiven and whether we like it or not, it has the Truth...Jesus Christ in Body and Blood.,
Ummm, yes. I believe it was called "The Inquisition".
Please refer back to my post # 177 where I list half dozen traits of the organization God calls "the Whore". See if you can name any other organization on earth OTHER than the RCC, that fits each and every one of the descriptions.
Actually, I'm not one to say his mother was unimportant. I believe his mother was very important.
However, IF we assume a (seeming) blood-brother relationship between Jesus and James and others, then we have limited choices.
Either Jesus shared one parent with those brothers OR he shared both parents with those brothers.
It is impossible to carry on a conversation with someone who just drops the debate one one thread when they are cornered, then pops up in another thread.
There was no passage. You claim that Mary is W/O sin. The passage in Luke tells of the offering of a sinner. Leviticus confirms what the offering was for.
This also gives credibility to the verse that Mary calls God her saviour.
Sinless people don't need saviours or to make offerings for sins.
We don't find Jesus making this offering out of humility so we must assume Mary would not have had to do it either.
You claim that tradition and scripture don't contradict each other. Explain this contradiction.
Please don't cut/paste the writings of some dead RC apologist who had the uncanny ability to go back 2000 years and tell us what probably was going on in the minds of these people.
If tradition and scripture compliment each other give me some concrete proof that Mary was sinless and these verses are wrong.
No assumptions or probabilities. Give me proof.
When a prot makes a statement the burden of proof is with them. That's what the catholics here tell us. Now lets have your proof
Again I don't want to hear what the early fathers believed. I want concrete evidence. <><
I always thought you were a "Prince Abert in a Can" man! Than you most likely the kind who would not let him out:)
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