Catholic Caucus: YOPIOS = Your Own Personal Interpretation Of Scripture

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

And every post I have sent you shows how we have to have faith and works and our salvation depends on those TWO graces.

Then we are probably at an end of this discussion. I believe faith and works are both part of the christians life, but faith and works are not both part of salvation. Which is not to say either one is less important then the other. If it is just that you don't agree with me that is fine. But if you really don't understand what I am saying I don't know any other way to say it. I would like to know which it is?

We have faith that we are sinners and need a savior. We have faith that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, we have faith that the sacrifice was accepted by God because Jesus rose from the dead in victory. "we believe in our hearts that God raised him for the dead so we are saved" THEN once we are saved we are grateful, we want to show our gratitude so we surrender our will to the HS and good things are accomplished thru us by the grace of God, and we will be rewarded in heaven, not with heaven. If we know the HS is prompting us to do something and don't do it, if we do something and take credit for it, we will suffer the loss of reward.

We do sin. We do our best not too. When we do we confess and our sins our forgiven by the grace of God. If we don't confess we loose fellowship not salvation, with God. Something a christian would not want too happen.

I would also like to say this discussion has proven we can discuss reasonably:) Thank you.

I am not skipping out on you, I just don't know how else to say anything on this topic. Any questions I will be gald to discuss. I am just telling you that on the faith, works, salvation, topic, I don't know anything else to say. To tell the truth I'm not sure that is the topic, or is it the judgements, or OSAS, or grace:) LOL. Funny how it all runs together.

Becky

[american colleen]

Oh Lord! I'm gonna be late for work!

So we can be condemned for our "bad works," right? But in order to be "saved" we have to have "good works" but the lack of them will not condemn us?

BTW, works to me, can be sin (when I use the phrase "bad works" I actually mean sin).

Another thing... You say the Christian will be held responsible for the deeds done in body... how can this be if all of our sin is covered in His blood and forgiven and forgotten? I honestly don't understand this.

I'll get back to you later!

[ThomasMore]

It will be helpful if you remember she has said that ALL works are filthy rags

I missed that one but have caught the tail end of the conversation. Did I see the word KOTEX used? LOL! Next thing she'll be calling herself cow shiite!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

how can this be if all of our sin is covered in His blood and forgiven and forgotten? I honestly don't understand this.

"IF" all of our sin....Heb.7:25 Wherefore he is able also o save them t the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Heb. 10:12 But this man, afterhe had offerd one sacrifice for sins forever sat down on the right an of God.

Heb. 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctifid.

This doesn't sound like "IF" to me. Sounds pretty certain to me.

So we can be condemned for our "bad works," right?

NO. Our bad works don't save us they don't cndemn us. We our condemned for unbelief.

John 3:18 He that beleveth on him is notcondemned: but he tht believeth not is condemned alread, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son God.

Belief saves, unbelief condemns. Works are not part of it. Good works are our way of showing love and gratitude. Bad works, sin, will cause us to loose fellowship, but not salvation, because bad works are not what condemn us in the first place.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Mom came back and clarified what she meant by ALL works. Catholiguy is just not mentioning that. He is also not mentioning that he has said twice now he would STOP with the Kotex remarks.

What does that say about him.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I need to apologize to catholicguy. I thought from ThomasMore's post that you had used the Kotex remark again, but now see that Thomas was referring to older posts. Thanks or NOT using the remark again.

Becky

[RnMomof7]

  Isa 64:6   But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Gods words not mine ..now CG is unable to rightly divide the word of God as an unrepentant man
Lets see if you can

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from an unused root meaning to set a period [compare 05710, 05749];
TWOT - 1564a; n f

AV - filthy 1; 1

1) menstruation
1a) filthy rag, stained garment (fig. of best deeds of guilty people)

EVERYTHING an unregenerat man does to earn the approval of God is sin..it is filthy to God

CG hates the word of God and what it tells him about himself..we all did at one time

[ThomasMore]

Dear Becky,

I'm a Catholic through and through. I'm a deacon in His Church. I believe what the early fathers handed on to us and has been taught by the faith ever since: that we are born again of water and spirit. And that washing of regeneration buries us in Christ and rises us to NEW life. That baptism by water washes away the effects of Adam's sin and makes us right with God through the merits of Christ's redemptive act. Sure, we can sin again. And confessing our sins can get us back right with the Lord.

I am amused at this whole business about Kotex and cow manure and the like and chuckle at the musings that God would leave His adopted children in such a fashion! So forgive me if It seems like I or Catholicguy might be prolonging the post or harping on a chord, so to speak, but I find it at first, most amusing, and then pitiable.

Nothing impure can enter the kingdom of heaven. So for the Protestant when does the stench leave? Is it one of those pre-stench / post-stench things. (Only teasing) ;^)

[RnMomof7]

I read Beckys post..I apoligize for hitting CG I thought he had brought it up AGAIN..

[RnMomof7]

o for the Protestant when does the stench leave? Is it one of those pre-stench / post-stench things. (Only teasing) ;^)

You will not be laughing on the day God says he is not impressed with your deacon status.

[RnMomof7]

You do not need good works to be saved..you wil do good works because you are saved...BIG DIFFERENCE

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

The Kotex remarks didn't bother me and I don't believe they bothered mom either. It was just that he had apologized for them on this thread and then started up with it again on another and said he would stop with it again. As I stated I thought from your post he had started up again here, but you must have just been looking at the old post. So I apologized to him for accusing him of it again.

Becky

[St.Chuck]

<>LOL. I read my issue last night. Crocker is some convert, huh?<>

Yes, beginning with St. Paul, converts can make an valuable contributions, no doubt. I am in the middle of Crocker's book,"Triumph", and am thoroughly enjoying it. He's got exactly the right tone and his will be a significant contribution.

[Catholicguy]

<> With all due respect,that is not the case.She is the one that incorrectly applied Isaias 64:6 to ALL works. She has said that repeatedly. She said those are the words of God describing that reality. Yesterday, on another thread, she was still trying to claim she had never said that.

Thomas More was the name of the poster, not me. I gues I can see how youmight think it was me though. Our names are so similar.:)

I am not responsible for what others do, only for what I do. If you have issues with Mom's private interpretations of scripture take them up with her, not me<>

[Catholicguy]

<> LOL<>

[ThomasMore]

You will not be laughing on the day God says he is not impressed with your deacon status.

Your arrogance seems to just blossom from time to time. How do you know what God is going to say or not say to me at my judgement? You accuse Catholicguy of HATING the bible, the word of God! You imply to know the condition of my soul! And you call yourself a Christian. The Pharisees behaved the same!

[Catholicguy]

<> She frequently speaks for God, although I can't specifically remember in the NT where Jesus made her the head of His Church;)<>

[american colleen]

I liked "Triumph" a lot. I gave a copy to my parish priest last year. I am "in the process" (picking up and putting down) "The History of Christianity" by Paul Johnson... much more in depth because it includes the history surrounding Christianity as well as the start and growth of the Church. It is truly a miracle that Christianity didn't just die out back in 100 AD or so... but He said it wouldn't, and He's always right!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I have been studying 1 Cor. this past week, and would like to share a verse that when I read it I thought of you.

KJV 1 Cor. 1:8. Who (Christ), shal als conirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For Study purposes I use the Amplified Version alot.

ANDHe will establish you to the end [keep you steadfast, give you strength, and guarantee your vindcation: He will be your warrant against all accusation or indctment so that you will be ] guiltless and irreproachable in the day of our LORD Jesus Christ (the Messsiah)

Does this sound like OSAS to you? It does to me:)

Remeber 1 Cor. was written to believers. Notice it is nothing we do to keep ourselves irreproachable. Jesus does it ALL. If He is keeping us, how then could we loose it, why would we need to go to purgatory?

Just some thoughts I had as I read this. What do you think?

Becky

[american colleen]

real quickly because I have to get my son to school and then run some errands... Cor. 1:8 does seem to support OSAS, but I cannot myself subscribe to taking one sentence out of the bible to support what I believe in... I gotta read the whole thing as a complete text... then I read on and find:

1 Corinthians Chapter 9

24 Know you not that they that run in the race, all run indeed, but one receiveth the prize? So run that you may obtain.

25 And every one that striveth for the mastery, refraineth himself from all things: and they indeed that they may receive a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible one.

26 I therefore so run, not as at an uncertainty: I so fight, not as one beating the air:

27 But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway.

Ya know what I mean? I'll try to elaborate on this a bit more later on if I can.