Defending the Deuterocanonicals

CIN ^ | James Akin

[JMJ333]

I will have to do a little research before I post you another reply. Thanks for the challenge...it has me curious!

[Alouette]

all we have now is the offical cannon of the Jews..which was set after Jesus I believe

The Hebrew scriptural canon was sealed at the end of the Babylonian Exile by the Anshei Knesset Hagedolah (Great Synod), around 450 B.C.

[RnMomof7]

Do you have a list of the books in the offical canon?

[Alouette]

Do you have a list of the books in the offical canon?

24 Books of the Hebrew Scriptures

[Sock]

The Hebrew scriptural canon was sealed at the end of the Babylonian Exile by the Anshei Knesset Hagedolah (Great Synod), around 450 B.C.

The above statement, of course, would be according to non Christian sources.

Critical opinion as to date ranged from c. 165 B.C. to the middle of the second century of our era (Wildeboer). The Catholic scholars Jahn, Movers, Nickes, Danko, Haneberg, Aicher, without sharing all the views of the advanced exegetes, regard the Hebrew Hagiographa as not definitely settled till after Christ. It is an incontestable fact that the sacredness of certain parts of the Palestinian Bible (Esther, Ecclesiastes, Canticle of Canticles) was disputed by some rabbis as late as the second century of the Christian Era (Mishna, Yadaim, III, 5; Babylonian Talmud, Megilla, fol. 7). However differing as to dates, the critics are assured that the distinction between the Hagiographa and the Prophetic Canon was one essentially chronological. It was because the Prophets already formed a sealed collection that Ruth, Lamentations, and Daniel, though naturally belonging to it, could not gain entrance, but had to take their place with the last-formed division, the Kéthubim.

Source

[Alouette]

The above statement, of course, would be according to non Christian sources.

Of course.

[RnMomof7]

Thank you for the list, I have bookmarked so as not to be dumb on this again:>)

It seems they line up with the protestant canon. These would have been the books used in the temple for teaching I assume.

[el_chupacabra]

Wow. Another wonderful resource. Bookmarked.

[JMJ333]

You are not dumb, nor stupid. Sometimes, people say things they don't really mean. I know, I had to go to the penalty box last week for high sticking. God bless. =)

[JMJ333]

Thanks and good to see you. =)

[JMJ333]

This is from New Advent

It is too long to post, but I think is a good explanation of where we take the septuagint from. I am sorry about the length. I look forward to your comments.

[JMJ333]

Dan. 1:6-7 is a reference to Peter. Christ was not given to meaningless gestures, and neither were the Jews as a whole when it came to names. Giving a new name meant that the status of the person was changed, as when Abram’s name was changed to Abraham (Gen.17:5), Jacob’s to Israel (Gen. 32:28), Eliakim’s to Joakim (2 Kgs. 23:34), or the names of the four Hebrew youths—Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah to Belteshazzar, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego (Dan. 1:6-7). But no Jew had ever been called "Rock."

And on indulgences, (Dan. 12:2).

I have already put up the one on purgatory. I am too lazy to look up the one on women priests.

[Gophack]

If ya don't mind being friends with a DUMB ex Catholic:>)

I have many friends ... smart and dumb, Catholic and Protestant and Jewish, ... we can agree to disagree as long as we respect each other as children of God.

Besides, I haven't lost hope for you ... many "ex Catholics" come back to the church!

God bless.

[drstevej]

***Sirach 15:11-22.***

I have read it several times. Which parts do you think Calvinists would reject? It was not obvious to me. There are similar passages in scriptures accepted by Protestants as canonical.

[JesseShurun]

Here are the Sirach verses:

Freedom of Choice
11 Do not say, "It was the Lord's doing that I fell away";
for he does not do what he hates.
12 Do not say, "It was he who led me astray";
for he has no need of the sinful.
13 The Lord hates all abominations;
such things are not loved by those who fear him.
14 It was he who created humankind in the beginning,
and he left them in the power of their own free choice.
15 If you choose, you can keep the commandments,
and to act faithfully is a matter of your own choice.
16 He has placed before you fire and water;
stretch out your hand for whichever you choose.
17 Before each person are life and death,
and whichever one chooses will be given.
18 For great is the wisdom of the Lord;
he is mighty in power and sees everything;
19 his eyes are on those who fear him,
and he knows every human action.
20 He has not commanded anyone to be wicked,
and he has not given anyone permission to sin.

a Gk her b Heb: Gk you ought not to do

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[xzins]

were those verses in the bible this debate would be a whole lot less heated, wouldn't it?

Great puns on the other page, btw ....boyds and behe's LOL

[Catholicguy]

LOl steve, you should at least admit your attempted put down failed