Arminianism Another Gospel

http://www.hereistand.net/Maclean.htm ^ | 7/23/02 | Rev. William Maclean, M.A.

[xzins]

That would interfere with the FREE WIILL of man......how can you violate YOUR doctrine like that ? If you really believed what you preach you would not ask God to barge in on anothers free will. IF God does that it is NOT a full free will choice..

Not so. Convicting folks is one of the works of the Holy Spirit. God decided this, so it is biblical according to his rules, not according to my rules.

[ponyespresso]

Whew. It's a great day to be Catholic...

Man, you ain't kidding. And I'm not even Catholic, but it's looking better all the time after trying to follow these folks, lol!

"And on that day the Lord said to those on His left, 'I was hungry and you discussed Calvinism, I was thirsty and you droned on and on about predestination, I was naked and you took pot shots at Luther and Spurgen, I was in prision and you were gathering footnotes for your next post...."

Matthew 25, NPV (New Pony Version)

[xzins]

Sorry, you didn't seem to be posting yesterday when xzins was "coming apart at the seams" with his pray about man words and pray on top of your Bible wierdness. Besides, there is hope that rdb3 and I being 5 hours apart might manage to come together in the near future and buy each othe a coke or something.

Woody, these are continued personal attacks. And I haven't done anything like it with you.

Perhaps the attacks come because you simply cannot scripturally defend the doctrines of "L" (limited atonement) and "I" (irresistible grace.)

You don't need to cede the argument on L&I. They are clearly incorrect. And the fall of those two legs makes NECESSARY the fall of the entire calvinist system based on unconditional election.

I'm sure your response will be another attack on me. So be it. You can have the last word.

I am certain now that calvinism is unbiblical. I am BIBLICALLY certain with not a shade of doubt.

[fortheDeclaration]

Sorry, you didn't seem to be posting yesterday when xzins was "coming apart at the seams" with his pray about man words and pray on top of your Bible wierdness. Besides, there is hope that rdb3 and I being 5 hours apart might manage to come together in the near future and buy each othe a coke or something. Woody, these are continued personal attacks. And I haven't done anything like it with you. Perhaps the attacks come because you simply cannot scripturally defend the doctrines of "L" (limited atonement) and "I" (irresistible grace.) You don't need to cede the argument on L&I. They are clearly incorrect. And the fall of those two legs makes NECESSARY the fall of the entire calvinist system based on unconditional election.

The 'thread killer' is about to strike.

Be afraid, be very afraid!

[CCWoody]

That's a pretty poor interpretation of that scripture. Perhaps you should pray about it.

I know that your entire theology is built upon the notion that you should pray about the words of man to see if he is telling you the truth or not. Well, you can listen to them with your itching ears if you must. My intrepretation is sound. Wisdom and knowledge are 2 different things.

Besides, you haven't figured out that the Bible itself declares explicitly that the age of special revelation by prophets has ended. This is what really puts a dagger in the heart of mormonism, but I doubt you will believe me even if I show you the verses.

[CCWoody]

God wants us to come to Him as His children and ask Him for our desires. As long as those desires do not contradict God's own, He will answer those prayers.

Fine: Jesus has said "that will I do" concerning prayers made according to the will of God. You Arminians teach that God's will and desire is for all men to be saved. Please explain where the theological null and void clause is in the New Covenant where Jesus will not grant the prayer to save all men!

Are you getting tired of realizing that you don't have an answer to this yet? Perhaps a few dozen more times of you chasing your own tail with this one will convince you that you are wrong. But then again....

[B-Chan]

{Z}

I wonder why they even bother to argue, since one or the other is eternally predestined to win anyway...

B-chan

[ArrogantBustard]

Are you a physicist, or a physical chemist?

[the_doc]

Well, all I was really saying is that I don't divide the true Body of Christ. Error divides the Body of Christ.

True Calvinists are the ones who are most interested in healing the divisions. That's the reason why we do address the error of Arminianism--which, of course, only infuriates the Arminians (some of whom are reprobate anyway).

[Some hope remaining.]

Tell me, how did you come to know the Bible is the word of God?

[rdb3]

No matter, CC. We've just witnessed the complete coming apart of a sick person.

Move along! Nothing to see here.

[Admin Moderator]

We can do without stating that another Freeper would kill another for seeing him in person. Thanks, AM

[RnMomof7]

Let it go Woody .......people can see it for what it is.

When you have no answer for the message you try to "kill" the messenger

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

You must be doing a good job

Accept his words as a blessing and proof that you are in Gods will

[CCWoody]

Tell me, how did you come to know the Bible is the word of God?

The Lord opened my blind spiritual eyes to see the truth. If you want a detailed response, you will need to wait until I get home. I have already answered this question in detail and simply need to get my saved copy of the post.

[CCWoody]

No matter, CC. We've just witnessed the complete coming apart of a sick person.

Actually, if you had noticed before the AM removed the post (I wonder who complained), you can see that the theological escape hatch that ftd and xzins find themselves using to explain why Jesus will not answer this prayer (which is according to His will the Arminians tell us) is to show that Jesus never prayed for the salvation of all men. That pretty much destroys their unBiblical presupposition that He desires the salvation of all men. Game, set, & match to the Calvinists.

[ksen]

"Moreover, I do not regard myself as a Protestant, although you might regard me as such, since I am a Baptist and we did not break away from Rome as did the 'Protestants'."
ftd's own words!

We don't have to make any accusations, they damn themselves!

This is the second thread where I've seen this quote misrepresented.

ftD did not mean that Baptist's were and still are part of Rome. His rejection of the "Protestant" label comes from not considering Baptists as EVER having been a part of Rome in the first place.

How could Baptists break away from an organization they were never joined to?

[ksen]

we did not break away from Rome... ~ The Roman ftd

Please see #78

[ksen]

THE church was the Roman Catholic church, until Martin Luther posted his 95 Theses of 1517.

There were no independent assemblies of believers who were distinct from Rome before Martin Luther came alnog?