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Famed Exorcist Sees Dangers in Harry Potter
Catholic World Report ^ | 2/1/02 | Phil Lawler

Posted on 06/27/2002 5:53:24 AM PDT by Aquinasfan

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To: maryz
I am a nurse. I worked in addictions a long time. One of the questions that the drunks used to ask so they could remain in denial was "were you an alcoholic?" See if not they acted like what I said had no weight.

Now the truth is the truth. if you choose to expose your kids to witchcraft as acceptable go right ahead..that is your business.

I have read reports on theses books and my daughter (a social worker with at risk kids) had read reviews about the example set in the film by the behaviour of the kids (satan loves rebellion)

Our objection was both spiritual and behavioral..

I see no reason to read the work of a witch to see if I can find common ground with her..

This book is not just fantasy..it is a manual on witchcraft...go right on mom...they are your kids. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord

21 posted on 06/30/2002 2:45:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I have read reports on theses books and my daughter (a social worker with at risk kids) had read reviews about the example set in the film by the behaviour of the kids (satan loves rebellion)

In other words, you haven't read the books. Read just one chapter of one book (at the library -- don't even buy it) -- I think you'll find they're not nearly what you think; if they were as awful as you assume, I can see where you'd be worried, where they've been so long on the best seller lists. I read some of those reviews, too, and I wouldn't have bought one, but someone lent it to me.

(And try reading more carefully -- if you'd read my post through, you'd know I don't have kids.)

22 posted on 06/30/2002 3:16:36 PM PDT by maryz
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To: RnMomof7
I am a nurse. I worked in addictions a long time. One of the questions that the drunks used to ask so they could remain in denial was "were you an alcoholic?" See if not they acted like what I said had no weight.

Is that because they felt if you were'nt an alcoholic you just did'nt understand what they were going through?

23 posted on 06/30/2002 3:26:54 PM PDT by Codie
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To: maryz
I make a point of not reading santanic works..sorry

I have read extensive articles on the author and the contents..I make no appology for not wanting my mind or the minds of my kids or grandkids polluted..

24 posted on 06/30/2002 3:56:24 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Codie
Well on the surface that was true. But I did not have to have cancer to know how to take care of a cancer victim..I did not need to be laid up with surgery to know how to treat a post op patient..

The methods are right if applied correctly they work

Same with addictions counseling...I was a very good counselor in my day..a high completion rate..but I was tough ..tough love works. Those that did not really want a life change wanted out of my caseload. That was as good an excuse as any

25 posted on 06/30/2002 4:01:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I have read extensive articles on the author and the contents

Have you read any articles by anyone who's actually read the books? There are lots of things I don't read, but I usually manage to refrain from commenting at length on them. It doesn't speak to a great sense of fairness or of truth to comment so negatively (or at all) on something you know nothing about.

26 posted on 06/30/2002 4:05:39 PM PDT by maryz
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To: RnMomof7
But I did not have to have cancer to know how to take care of a cancer victim.

Just curious,last question,really! Did did you deal with terminal cases?

27 posted on 06/30/2002 4:22:19 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Codie
Many times codie..that is part of nursing...a bitter sweet part.

I lost patients when I worked in the hospital..and I lost "clients" when I worked addiction. from the sequela of the addiction ..( I also had AIDS patients that died )

Nursing is a physical and a spiritual job...

28 posted on 06/30/2002 4:30:11 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: maryz; Aquinasfan; RnMomof7; Codie; drstevej; Woodkirk
It's important to know the enemy.

I've read these books. I have two sons. There is a vast difference between these books and C.S. Lewis, Tolkien, etc.

IMO, the Potter books were written with the express purpose of familiarizing young children with the occult world. Period. Later, when kids bump into it on the playground or behind the mall, they won't fear the occult; they just might even embrace it, much like they would an old, favorite stuffed animal.

Rawling's tale of being a poor little single mom who wrote on the backs of napkins in coffee shops is ridiculous. Her book, much of it plagerized, found its way quickly and oh-so fortuitously to the largest publisher of youth literature, Scholastic Publishing, in New York.

Almost overnight, the three books appeared at the top of the NY Times best-seller list. Publishing does not happen this way, ever.

So we must ask ourselves, why are we being spoon-fed this ludicrous concoction?

Perhaps it's because there really are forces in the world, financial and spiritual, who want the population controlled not by the Trinity, but by the soggy-minded, spiritually-vacant, historically-ignorant manipulators of markets, memories and motives.

The Potter books are aimed at children and are filled with actual references to real occultists.

An easy example is the character of Vlabatsky, author of a book of incantations. Vlabatsky is an obvious anagram (occultists love anagrams) for H.P. Blavatsky, German-Russian founder of the Theosophy Society in the 19th century who holds a hallowed place among satanists everywhere to this day.

Do a Google search on Helena Blavatsky and you'll learn what all the fuss is about...and you just might discover dozens of further references used by Rawling to acquaint children with the occult.

As far as "The Wizard of Oz" goes, Frank Baum was also a serious disciple of Blavatsky and member of the Theosophy Society whose wife regularly held seances in their home and whose mother-in-law was the radical feminist, Mathilde Gage, also a Theosophist. Baum is quoted as saying "God is nature, and nature is God."

Forewarned is forearmed.

29 posted on 06/30/2002 4:32:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: RnMomof7
Did their death shake your faith or reinforce it?
30 posted on 06/30/2002 4:38:28 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Codie
It reinforced it

it is very special to pray with and share Christ with people that are near death.

I saw some people very fearful of death. they had no assurance. It broke my heart.

31 posted on 06/30/2002 4:48:29 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Perhaps it's because there really are forces in the world, financial and spiritual, who want the population controlled not by the Trinity, but by the soggy-minded, spiritually-vacant, historically-ignorant manipulators of markets, memories and motives.

You lost your crediblity right here.

32 posted on 06/30/2002 4:57:11 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I'm honored you responded to my observation.

A "lack of credibility" from you makes my day.

33 posted on 06/30/2002 5:01:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
A "lack of credibility" from you makes my day.

Happy to oblige when a fellow poster starts sounding like a caller to Art Bell.

34 posted on 06/30/2002 5:07:52 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: RnMomof7
it is very special to pray with and share Christ with people that are near death.

You have gone through this? I know you can't tell me what they are going through, but if you can ,please try and tell me how you felt at those moments.

35 posted on 06/30/2002 5:25:57 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Codie
Very Blessed

Codie I have prayed as I gave mouth to mouth to a dead man..I have held the hands of those near death..I have told a guy that was a member of a cult about Jesus and had him die two days later

One of the things about medicine is you get to look death in the face..It has a look, a feel a smell all its own..you know it when you are in the room as it approaches ( I have lost that touch after being out of the hospital for so many years....but you know it , it has its own scent, it is not scary or awful..it just is).

Think about it this way. Have you seen a child born? It is the same thing at the other end of life.

36 posted on 06/30/2002 5:35:43 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: sinkspur
What exactly is the Catholic version of the second Coming?
37 posted on 06/30/2002 5:37:04 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Codie
What exactly is the Catholic version of the second Coming?

Exactly?

I wouldn't have the foggiest idea. All I can do is guess, like the rest of humankind.

38 posted on 06/30/2002 5:47:44 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
All I can do is guess, like the rest of humankind.

There won't be a whole lot of book sales with an opinion like that! However, I feel your right.

39 posted on 06/30/2002 5:57:09 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Codie
There won't be a whole lot of book sales with an opinion like that!

On the contrary, a tidy sum has been made by writers attempting to divine the meaning of the Book of Revelation, and they are as clueless as I am.

40 posted on 06/30/2002 6:03:06 PM PDT by sinkspur
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