Posted on 06/16/2002 1:42:58 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
So your faith is based on what other men believe? You want to appear sympathetic and compassionate--rather than give them what you believe to be the truth? I thought truth is love?
Answer my question, please--is your position scriptural, doctrinal, or personal?
That's it, set Christ against the God of the Old Testament, just like a JW would do!
The reason that God ordered those tribes wiped out was to protect future Jewish children, who would be sacrificed to devils (Lev.17:7,Deut.32:17,Ps.106:37,Jud.2-2-4,Deut.7:2-4)
The more distant cities they were to spare the women and children (Deut.20,Josh.9)
Now, as hard as that commandment is accept (and in war, the innocent as well as the guilty are killed), to equate that to the eternal damnation of these same children shows such a breakdown in thinking that it must be demon induced.
Keep the grandstanding going. Inquiring lurkers want to know.
Oh, I hope the lurkers are reading the Calvinistic posts and see what Calvinism is really about, worshipping a cruel and capricious god, not the God of the Bible.
If you are saved, I am going to find it very interesting to watch you guys give an account to Christ on why you described Him the way you do.
I want to hear how you defend yourself to Him your telling others that He threw infants into the Lake of Fire because it was His perogative.
Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed (Matt.25;24)
The Judgement Seat of Christ is going to be a very interesting time!
There is no scripture for this Shadow other than a reference to Davids lost infant son.All doctrine on this is subjective opinion of men...so my friend YOU are the one following men..I am willing to allow God to be God..something you seem to have a problem with
Can Satan stop the plans of God? Who is your god Shadow?
Being a Baptist, I reject infant Baptism.
However, I will Amen the fact that God is merciful and has provided a way to save those who did not have the chance to make a decision for or against Him. (Rom.5:18)
Yea, I had a hunch it might be him.
I note that you say that he is a former Arminian.
When you leave clear scripture (as the Calvinists do) you get into heresy.
In the case of Pinnock he left Psa.139.
The aspect that God has a dynamic system as opposed to a static system is correct, and Hugh's takes that same view.
That doesn't mean that God doesn't know what is going to happen or have a Plan, only that man's free decisions have been factored in as real with God working in and through those decisions, along with His own sovereign choices.
Romans 5:18 says that all of those who were under Adams sin are now under the Second Adams Blood.
Throughout the whole of scripture it is demonstrated that faith is the means by which one is saved. But now that seems to only apply to some people and not all. It didn't matter that we were all born in iniquity because God can suspend that for certain people. You who rallied the cry for our free will choice being essential to salvation now deny it. If we are a fallen race, how does it not apply until a certain age?
BTW, I see your frequency of insults is reaching a fever pitch. You're acting like an animal backed into a corner.
You believe the devil is in charge here and you know that. It is clear from your questions on if God is "arbitrary".You believe the devil is in charge or at least equal in power to God, if you do not believe that NOTHING can happen unless God allows it something or someone is His equal or superior
You Calvinists have gone beyond the line in defending your godless view that God would condemn infants to hell.
You come around defending that garbage and then expect us to treat you with any respect?
The concept is an abomination, which even many Calvinists have recoiled from.
There is no possibility of discussion on this issue, it is so unthinkable that the fact that Calvin could think of it is an indictment against the entire rotten, degenerate system that bears his name, Calvinism
I always find it amazing how Calvinists want to limit God's perogatives!
Doesn't God have the right to give that aspect of sovereignity to man?
Isn't it God's right to decide if He wants man to decide to accept or reject the free gift of salvation.
Why won't Calvinists allow God to be God?
Calvin And Luther didn't. Why do you?
You guys require a God of LOVE to let man make the decision. Your view doesn't ALLOW God, it REQUIRES God to put you into the driver's seat.
I am not a Calvinist but a believer in predestination very close to it however I do not believe in a eternal torture in the fires of hell. Hell is nothing more than the grave. I would rethink my position if I had a belief in an eternal torture and understand your objections as well based upon this belief. God bless all.
Since the sinful nature heresy cannot be found in Scripture, we can rest assured that it is just as our Lord said:
Mat. 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
(Now if children had a sinful nature it would be full of little sinners.)
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
(Now if children have a sinful nature, it must mean we have to get one to get to heaven.)
How absurd Augustinians are. Men are sinners because they choose to sin, just as Adam and Eve and many angels did. They aren't born that way, any more than Adam was created that way.
Hank
What do you make of this then, is it not referring to children also?
Ropmans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Codie the Protestants that continue infant baptism for the most part reject baptismal regeneration. It is viewed primarily as an entrance into the covenant family of God (much like circumcision to the Jews).
Most of us however believe baptism is an outward sign of an inward change, and therefore practice a believers baptism
You come around defending that garbage and then expect us to treat you with any respect?
The concept is an abomination, which even many Calvinists have recoiled from.
There is no possibility of discussion on this issue, it is so unthinkable that the fact that Calvin could think of it is an indictment against the entire rotten, degenerate system that bears his name, Calvinism
First of all, as I recall there are many Calvinists who share the view that infants in fact DO go to heaven. In fact, most argue that it is YOUR position that sends infants to hell because they have not had the opportunity to make the all-important Arminian choice to be saved. Our efforts to show that your position is in conflict with the biblical doctrines of original sin and salvation by faith alone were immediately met with insult and rediculous allegations.
Now, I apologize for the name-calling I engaged in. That it was fueled by your implication that somehow you will be standing with your arms crossed smiling while we somehow have to give an account of our "heresy" is still no excuse. Apologies aside I find your methodology and your theology to be mostly reactionary to anything presented which denies you your coveted "free will" as being your meritorious basis for salvation. I have a degree of respect for many Arminians as being true lovers of God despite what I see as errors in their theology. That respect is for the most part reciprocal. You however show no respect to anyone who would disagree with you, going so far as to imply that they hate God and if they are saved will only be so by the skin of their teeth. I cannot think of a more appropriate person to quote Matthew 7:1,2 to. We can have certainty only of our own salvation. To make statements as you do about the salvation of others is truly unbecoming a regenerate person.
I have offered apology for my harsh words. Until and unless the same is extended to me, we have no more to say to each other. Your actions do and will speak volumes about the fruit you're bearing.
Notice that Paul is teaching here that in a family unit, a believer's sanctification is extended to their spouse and children if it is not so their children would be considered unclean. The children have no say or control over if the are holy or unclean before God.
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
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