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Liberation by the Veil (Why Islamic Women are Content.)
Jannah ^ | FR Post 6-8-2 | Sehmina Jaffer Chopra

Posted on 06/09/2002 6:36:32 PM PDT by vannrox

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To: cicero's_son
I am not Marxist or Feminist. I don't know where you are getting this crap. You are projecting things onto me that aren't there.

The full hijab is not a religious statement. It is more a statement of the persecution, rape, and murder of women under the guise of religion. There is nothing Godly about the way these women live or the way they are treated. They are denied basic medical care because "a male doctor cannot touch or look upon them." BS. The culture hates women. Their corruption of religion borders on evil. No, it doesn't border on evil, it IS evil! Go to Afghanistan and feed this stuff to the women there. Tell them the horror they undergo is 'willed by Allah'.

In my "liberal" state, I frequently see Muslim women out fully covered except for their faces. Fine, if that's what they want. BUT, and read my words carefully, when a woman is BEATEN OR KILLED in a foreign country for not wearing this tarp (which is nearly impossible to function safely in), it's no longer religious. It's an evil act of hatred perpetuated by very sick human beings.

41 posted on 06/10/2002 12:05:23 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl

Perhaps a Saint Francis of Assisi could disrobe himeslf before the bishop, and you are free to do so, too. We won't be holding our breaths, though.

42 posted on 06/10/2002 12:05:33 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
If you're going to insult me and make snide insinuations then you'd best be prepared to play. You still haven't answered my questions.
43 posted on 06/10/2002 12:07:53 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Cultural Jihad
You need to go to confession.
44 posted on 06/10/2002 12:08:49 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl

There you go. You disprove your own argument. Muslim women in California wearing the veil willingly and conducting themselves modestly in your state, and probably driving down the boulevard unescorted, too, and they're probably smiling, and contented, perhaps more so than you are. Should we now discount the Christian pastors who cruelly abuse their wives and children? Or consider that fact as a hallmark or aberration of Christianity?

45 posted on 06/10/2002 12:12:31 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: goldenstategirl

And you need to allow God to judge human souls. Where have I sinned in my dealings with you?

46 posted on 06/10/2002 12:14:24 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
I took the liberty of looking at your homepage. Do you honestly believe that Islam is going to take the place of Christianity after its moral decline? Do you remember the Crusades? Do you remember 9/11? Are you a Muslim?

At this point, your agenda has been made perfectly clear. It is illogical and frightening.

47 posted on 06/10/2002 12:18:55 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
So in other words you will not state how it is I have sinned against you, but have to deflect the question to my homepage? I truly am sorry if anything I said was in any way offensive to you. We men like to debate policy and world affairs in an intellectual rather than emotive way, and I appreciate you engaging with me in the discussion tonight. Take care!
48 posted on 06/10/2002 12:28:13 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: goldenstategirl
I am not Marxist or Feminist. I don't know where you are getting this crap. You are projecting things onto me that aren't there.

Good Heavens I should hope not! Because you clearly can't be a Catholic AND the other two. I'm not saying you are. I am, however, saying that your understanding of Islam is infected with Marxist and Feminist thinking...If it makes you feel better, it's a common problem since Marxists and Feminists have come to occupy the great heights of "Western" culture. Marxism and Feminism is our cultural wallpapering.

The culture hates women.

Let's see. Our culture raises girls to become sexual adventurers, regardless of consequences and abortioners should the "need" arise. It induces in them bulemia, annorexia, and all other sorts of neuroses. It compels them to compete with men (their future husbands) for schools, jobs, promotions. Then it tells them that they are failures if they haven't "got it all" by age 35. It inundates them and their children with a popular culture that encourages them, in essence, to behave as homosexual men behave. And finally, if they are lucky enough to come into middle age with their sanity intact, there is always the prospect of Breast Cancer striking one in 9 of them or of facing a "no-fault" divorce in a dozen or so states. And our culture celebrates women?

No, I think that the average Muslim woman might take a pass on the "paradise" built for them by Gloria Steinem, Larry Flynt, Planned Parenthood, and Cosmopolitan.

50 posted on 06/10/2002 12:38:01 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
Well said. No one says that Muslim women live in a perfect society, but by and large they are much happier than their Western counterparts who have rejected our own valid religious traditions for a post-modernist nightmare. The Muslim critique of modern, secular, Western culture has many valid and irrefutable points.
51 posted on 06/10/2002 12:46:08 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
The Muslim critique of modern, secular, Western culture has many valid and irrefutable points.

Yes, it does. And we should be surprised since they are our cousins in Abraham.

Before Sept. 11, I used to imagine that the Muslims might someday help us recover our own faith. That seems a distant dream now, as our Materialist masters gear up to destroy the Muslims before finishing off what's left of us.

52 posted on 06/10/2002 12:51:39 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Cultural Jihad
Have you ever read any books by E. Michael Jones? I just finished one called Degenerate Moderns: Modernity as rationalized sexual behavior.

Really fantastic stuff. You might enjoy it.

53 posted on 06/10/2002 12:52:53 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Cultural Jihad
Do you think that Catholics and/or women should be allowed to use this forum. Please elaborate. Thanks.
54 posted on 06/10/2002 12:53:14 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Cultural Jihad
Cute. You ran to papa and had a benign comment of mine removed. Real brave of you. You need to learn to take a punch.

That's okay. I'll keep your personal insults on display.

From the homepage of Cultural Jihad:

**Islam & Christianity ** Saint Paul once had journeyed into what is now Arabia, to bring the Good News of Christianity to the inhabitants there. But he wasn't successful. It was as though God had reserved the area for a later religion, based on monotheism and pure desert morality, which would later rejuvenate Christianity when it sank into moral decline.

When hell freezes over.

55 posted on 06/10/2002 12:58:08 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Cultural Jihad
The women I see in Afghanistan don't look very happy to me. You have a very warped sense of what a happy woman looks like.
56 posted on 06/10/2002 1:00:59 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Cultural Jihad
Oops. My mistake. That's why you throw a tarp over their heads. Then you can't tell how unhappy they are. You can just pretend they like it.
57 posted on 06/10/2002 1:04:01 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: cicero's_son;Cultural Jihad
Excuse me, but the world is not as simple as Marxist/feminist vs. Islam. Can't you find any other worldviews out there?
58 posted on 06/10/2002 1:05:15 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: cicero's_son
Be careful who your calling Marxist/Feminist. Your broad critique of Western culture on this thread could just as easily fit the Marxist/Feminist Mold. They reduce Western culture in the same way. (Western culture is more than just the late sliver of modernism)
59 posted on 06/10/2002 1:11:15 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Cultural Jihad
What is so intellectual about moral relativism?

What is so intellectual about tolerating evil?

Your enemy's enemy isn't always your friend.

60 posted on 06/10/2002 1:21:06 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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