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The Pandemonium Perpetrated by the Premillennialist Paradigm
OpinioNet.com ^ | 06/06/2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 06/05/2002 11:51:09 AM PDT by sheltonmac

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I agree with you wholheartedly, and it seems that the other responses here prove your point!

Thanks!

301 posted on 06/12/2002 10:55:26 AM PDT by gracebeliever
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To: sheltonmac; woodkirk
The point of this post is to show that Daniel's 70th week as recorded in Dan 9:27 is unfulfilled prophecy.
Note:
In hindsight, I must confess I'm not impressed with the NIV translation of Dan 9:27b. I can find no reasonable justification for the phrase "...of the temple he..." and the ending phrase "...on him" simply follows the prior use. Specifically, I don't know why the NIV translators seemingly inserted into the text the words 'temple' and then used the definite pronoun 'he' (which implies it's the same 'he' as in Dan 9:27a) versus the indefinite pronoun 'one'. Opinion perhaps, but not supported or explained in the NIV itself, nor can I find any explanation elsewhere.

That said, I'll not base my argument on the NIV but rather rely upon the NKJV translation of Dan 9:27 and Matt 24:15 (as the NKJV seems acceptable to you and is consistent with the NASB and YLT), to demontrate that Dan 9:27, the 70th week, is unfulfilled prophecy.

Below is a partial chronology of 168 BC through 70 AD extracted from Chronology of Scripture. Also, an overview chronology can be found at Chronology of Significant Events

BC

168. Antiochus Epiphanes sets up altar to Zeus in the Jerusalem Temple. Maccabean revolt against Greek rule (Seleucids).
166. Judas Maccabeaus victorious. Israel independent.
160. Death of Judas Maccabeaus, succeeded by Jonathan.
150. Judith and Baruch written. Septuagint version of Hebrew canon now complete.
143. Jonathan Maccabeaus slain, succeeded by Simon. Book of Jubilees written.
120. Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs and Assumption of Moses written.
100. Wisdom of Solomon and First Maccabees written.
75. Additions to Daniel (Song of the Three Children, Story of Susanna, and Bel and the Dragon) written.
70. Second Maccabees and Prayer of Manasseh written. Book of Enoch compiled.
63. Third Maccabees written. Judea conquered by Roman army of Pompey.
37. Herod the Great appointed by Roman Senate as king of Judea. Psalms of Solomon written.
31. Augustus made Roman emperor.
19. Herod's restoration of Temple begun. Fourth Maccabees written.
5. Birth of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem.
4. Death of Herod the Great.

AD

6. Judea annexed to the Roman province of Syria. Books of Adam and Eve written.
14. Death of Augustus. Tiberius made emperor.
26. Baptism of Jesus. Pontius Pilate begins to govern Judea. Book of the Secrets of Enoch written.
27. Jesus calls the twelve, preaches Sermon on the Mount.
28. Peter, James, John witness the Transfiguration.
29. Jesus is crucified, rises again, ascends to heaven. Holy Spirit descends at Pentecost.
35. Martyrdom of Stephen. Paul persecutes the churches.
36. Jesus Christ appears to Paul near Damascus, converts and commissions him. Paul departs to Arabia.
37-41 Gaius Caligula is Ceasar (Roman Empire) and attempts to put his own bust in temple, but relents under Jewish resistance

Caligula in 40 AD sets up his statue for worship in the Temple. Philo, a Jewish philosopher, refuses. Petronius, Roman governor of the Palestinian area, won't enforce the order to worship the statue and is sent word to commit suicide, but the emperor is assassinated before he complies (Caligula).
38. Paul preaches in Syria and Cilicia.
43. Paul invited to Antioch, preaches to church. Roman legions invade Britain under the Emperor Claudius, beginning 400 years of Roman control.
46. Paul and Barnabas leave Antioch for First Missionary Journey. They preach in Cyprus and southern Galatia, with great success. Return to Antioch in 48.
49. Judaizers come to Antioch from Jerusalem, attempt to frustrate Paul's mission. Apostles at Jerusalem affirm Paul's teaching, give Gentiles freedom from the Law of Moses.
50. Paul and Silas leave Antioch for Second Missionary Journey. They preach in Galatia, Mysia, Macedonia, Achaia, Asia. Return to Antioch in 52.
52. Paul writes First Thessalonians and Second Thessalonians.
53. Paul begins Third Missionary Journey alone. Preaches in Asia, Macedonia, Achaia.
55. Judaizers active in Paul's churches. Paul writes Galatians to counter their influence.
56. Paul hears of disorder and conflict in Corinth, writes First Corinthians and Second Corinthians. Epistle of James circulates in Jewish churches.
57. Paul writes Epistle to the Romans, goes to Passover in Jerusalem, is assaulted by mob in the Temple, arrested by Romans, held in custody at Caesarea.
59. Paul appeals to Caesar, is sent to Rome for trial.
60. Paul held in Rome, writes Philippians and Philemon.
62. Paul writes Ephesians and Colossians, is released, visits Crete and Asia, leaves Titus in Crete. Hebrews written.
63. Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke probably in circulation by this time.
64. Paul writes 1 Timothy and Titus.
65. Roman persecution of Christians begins under Nero. 1 Peter and Acts written.
66. Jews of Judea rebel against Roman rule. Paul arrested again, sent to Rome. Ascension of Isaiah compiled. Docetic heresy (in which humanity of Christ is denied) arises in churches of Asia. Paul writes 2 Timothy.
67. Paul put to death. Nero sends army under Vespasian to subdue Judea.
68. Nero commits suicide. Jude and 2 Peter in circulation. Peter dead by now. Jerusalem Christians refuse to join rebellion, move to Pela in Arabia to escape persecution.
69. Vespasian becomes Emperor, puts army under command of his son Titus.
70. Jerusalem destroyed by Roman army under Titus (War of the Jews 6.4).
Remnant of Jewish church there falls into Ebionite heresy (in which Jesus is merely a prophet), rejects all writings but corrupted Gospel of Matthew. Rabbinic academy established at Jamnia (Josephus' Chronology).

Comparing now how the Preterist interpretation matches scripture and history:

The Preterist position (in part) is that Daniel's 70th week is already fulfilled and there is no gap between the 69th and 70th week.

Because Daniel's 69th week (as fulfilled) ends with Christ's baptism in 26 AD (see Daniel's 69 weeks) when Christ began His ministry at 'about the age of 30', then the Preterist requires the 70th week run from 27 - 33 AD. Christ's crucifixion on a Passover Friday in 30 AD after about 3 1/2 years of ministry does fall midweek in this period. Christ himself further clarifies in Matt 24:15 that the 'abomination' will be seen in the temple (holy place) and that it is a future event (which incidently disqualifies Antiochus VI Epiphanes in 168 BC as the 'abomination').

Matt 24:15-16

Therefore when you see the "abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

So the 70th week has anchor dates: starts at 27 AD; a middle at 30 AD; and ends at 33 AD. The remaining prophesies of Dan 9:27 must thus match historic events between 27 and 33 AD to satisfy the Preterist viewpoint. Can this be shown?

Dan 9:27 NKJV

Substituting the interpretations from post #274 into Dan 9:27 (and making some allowance for the question having been couched in the NIV text):

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.

and substituting:

Then he [Christ] shall confirm a covenant [his blood sacrifice] [at the Lord's Supper and crucifixion] with many [those for whom Christ shed his blood - limited or unlimited Atonement] for one week; But in the middle of the week He [Christ - still] shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering [animal sacrifice in the temple by Christ's perfect sacrifice on the cross and rend the veil in two]. And on the wing of abominations [the image of the Roman emperor placed in or near the temple] shall be one who makes desolate [the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD], Even until the consummation [the destruction of Jerusalem], which is determined [Dan 9:27, Matt 24:15], Is poured out on the desolate [70 AD saw the desolation of Jerusalem].

And now consolidating (and preserving your meaning):

Then Christ shall confirm his blood sacrifice at the Lord's Supper and crucifixion with those for whom Christ shed his blood for one week; But in the middle of the week Christ shall bring an end to animal sacrifice in the temple by his perfect sacrifice on the cross and rending the veil in two.

And (the image of) the Roman emperor (placed in or near the temple) shall be one who makes the destruction of Jerusalem (in 70 AD), Even until the destruction of Jerusalem, which is prophesied (in Dan 9:27, Matt 24:15), Is the desolation of Jerusalem (in 70 AD).

And now fitting the interpretations into the historical record:

Note that within 27-33 AD neither images of Roman emperors, nor any other desecration is brought into the temple, nor was any desolation done to the temple or Jerusalem. Further, if it is argued that Christ's death rending the veil to the holy of holies was the desecration that setup the desolation, then it must be shown how (in a Christian doctrine) Christ would desecrate His Father's house, and then how that caused the desolation, and why the desolation (in 70 AD) falls outside the 70th week.

If the Preterist view were to be modified to include a gap of undetermined duration (as scripture indicates) but moving the 70th week to end on 70 AD with the destruction of the Herodian temple and Jerusalem, and assuming (unproved at present) that sacrifice and offering ended at the beginning of the Jewish revolt on 66 AD, then there are still no historical events that fulfill confirming a covenant for 63 - 70 AD.

Daniel's 70th week can not begin earlier than 26 AD or it overlaps with the previous 69 weeks. It doesn't fulfill prophecy when it immediately follows the 69th week. It does not fit anywhere between 34 and 70 AD as by then there are no covenants confirmed nor a midweek ending end of sacrifice and offering. And it can not have been fulfilled anytime after 70 AD, minimally, because there is no temple or holy place in which an 'abomination' can stand as Christ said it would in Matt 24:15.

Daniel's 70th week is unfulfilled. The NASB perhaps translates Dan 9:27 best:

"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

The definite pronoun 'he' is not capitalized because it refers to the Antichrist, Paul's Man of Lawlessness (1 Thes 2:3). Israel is being re-gathered. The signs of the end of the age are budding. The temple will be rebuilt again. The Antichrist will yet confirm a 7-year covenant with many beginning the tribulation, Daniel's 70th week; a covenant that will be broken midweek by the Antichrist, the abomination that causes desolation standing in the holy place. And at the end of the 70th week, the Antichrist (one who makes desolate) will be cast into the lake of fire (consumed), by our Lord Jesus Christ at His return.

302 posted on 06/15/2002 10:28:41 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind, sheltonmac
Preterists who criticize the gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel, simply do not read and understand the Scriptures, particularly the message of Gabriel to Daniel. When they argue against the gap, which is clearly in the text, they fail to explain to themselves and others what took place 3.5 years after the Resurrection to confirm their imaginative renderings, but instead leap to 70 AD, adding their own inventive gap that results in not the anointing of the most holy [place] but its destruction. They make no sense -- historical, logical, or biblical.
303 posted on 06/16/2002 5:57:40 AM PDT by Woodkirk
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