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Lay Preaching To Spread In Rochester Diocese
The Wanderer ^ | May 20, 2002 | PAUL LIKOUDIS

Posted on 05/20/2002 11:00:47 AM PDT by NYer

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To: sinkspur
Hell, I'd be happy if the priests in my parish could preach ONE homily without benefit of reading half of it.

I'd be happy if our parochial vicar could get through one homily without taking as his text Carl Rogers or Norman Vincent Peale.

21 posted on 05/20/2002 3:02:01 PM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
I'd be happy if our parochial vicar could get through one homily without taking as his text Carl Rogers or Norman Vincent Peale.

Ever see those little bits in Reader's Digest they use to fill up the blank spots at the bottom of the pages? Well ...
22 posted on 05/20/2002 3:09:34 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Siobhan
Would you please elaborate on your comments...
23 posted on 05/20/2002 3:33:03 PM PDT by vita_brevis
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To: NYer
For those who fear the new norms will restrict lay preaching, Workmaster said many opportunities for lay preaching remain, such as when a priest doesn’t have time to prepare a homily, at parish missions and retreats and other non-eucharistic celebrations.

Right. And lay people should teach vascular physiology.

Preaching means to teach. You need knowledge to teach.

24 posted on 05/20/2002 3:44:51 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: Siobhan
The entire Rochester Diocese needs to be given to the Prelature of Opus Dei. I am absolutely serious about that.

The Albany Diocese should also be added to this list. Lest we forget, Albany sporned Fr. Dr. Vosko!

In the Sunday letter from the bishop read at ALL the parishes, Hubbard offers apologies for the misdeeds of the few and reassures the congregants that he has put in place a commission to study how these cases should be handled! NOWHERE does he acknowledge that he has a plan to stop the problem in its tracks. That is because the seminaries in the Albany Diocese are filled with homosexual priests as are many of the parishes. Besides, he is a progressive "modern" thinker who believes that once "THIS POPE" is out of the picture, they can then move on their plans to open the church to active homosexuals, married clergy and female ministers.

25 posted on 05/20/2002 4:45:07 PM PDT by NYer
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To: LadyDoc
The entire Rochester Diocese needs to be given to the Prelature of Opus Dei. I am absolutely serious about that.

The ABC affiliate in Albany NY shows the catholic mass on Sundays @ 8:30am. It is entitled The Table of the Lord . It provides me with a wealth of information on the damage done by our current bishop. The recently refurbished churches, referred to as the "newest gems" in the diocese, where the tabernacle and kneelers have been discarded or moved elsewhere.

This past Sunday, the mass came from the day chapel at my former parish of St. Pius X which also runs a catholic school where my daughter once attended. At this particular mass, the presider was accompanied by a deacon and two adult altar servers. Frankly, I was stunned when the deacon read the gospel and delivered the homily; he also prepared the wine and water for the priest.

Surely, in this situation, there was NO NEED for the deacon (a lay person) to assume so many responsibilities. The mass was in a "day chapel" with a smattering of adults in attendance. As I see it, this is more "in your face" actions on the part of our bishop.

26 posted on 05/20/2002 4:58:57 PM PDT by NYer
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To: sinkspur
Are the Protestants the only ones who teach homiletics in seminaries any more?

But in with my 2 cents...Part of the problem is you do not have congregations that WANT a 20/30 minute sermon. Unless things have change there were no sermons in the summer so people could "get our" in 20 minutes. Protestants (most of the:>) LIKE sermons..and they are glad to page through their bible following the points for a 1/2 hour.

I do not know how anything of substance is taught in 10 minutes..I pity the Priest that really want to teach

27 posted on 05/20/2002 5:10:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: NYer
" I was stunned when the deacon read the gospel and delivered the homily; he also prepared the wine and water for the priest."

That is the standard in my parish (Philly Archdiocese)
28 posted on 05/20/2002 5:12:34 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: sandyeggo
I just heard on O'Reilly that a RICO suit has been filed against Cardinal Mahony!!!!!!!
30 posted on 05/20/2002 5:23:18 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: NYer
At this particular mass, the presider was accompanied by a deacon and two adult altar servers. Frankly, I was stunned when the deacon read the gospel and delivered the homily; he also prepared the wine and water for the priest.

Surely, in this situation, there was NO NEED for the deacon (a lay person) to assume so many responsibilities. The mass was in a "day chapel" with a smattering of adults in attendance. As I see it, this is more "in your face" actions on the part of our bishop.

Do you know the theological significance of the deacon in the Church? Deacons assisted the apostles in the early Church.

Ever go to a Tridentine Solemn High Mass? Not only was the priest assisted by a deacon, but by a subdeacon, and, on occasion, by an "archpriest."

A deacon is NOT a lay person; he possesses Holy Orders, just as the priest, and bishop possess Holy Orders.

There are 25,000 permanent deacons in the Catholic Church. In fact, our esteemed Thomas More, on this site, is about to be ordained to that position this fall.

You might need to read a little more. Everything new is not evil.

32 posted on 05/20/2002 5:30:38 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: RnMomof7
Protestants (most of the:>) LIKE sermons..and they are glad to page through their bible following the points for a 1/2 hour.

Well, the reason Protestant ministers are, in many cases, such accomplished preachers is that the Word is all you've got. Catholics, of course, celebrate the Body and Blood of the Lord at every Mass, though the Word is equally important.

I do not know how anything of substance is taught in 10 minutes..I pity the Priest that really want to teach.

It is my contention, not only as one who preached 25 years ago, but as one who has given many presentations in a sales career, that, if you can't say it in 10 minutes, you can't say it in 30 minutes.

The mind can only absorb as much as the butt can stand, and that's about 10-15 minutes.

It is MUCH harder to prepare a 10 minute sermon than it is to talk for 30 minutes.

33 posted on 05/20/2002 5:39:50 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo
Interesting. The only place the Peterson-Doyle-Mouton report, given in 1985 to Catholic bishops about the extent of clerical sexual abuse in the Catholic Church in America and ignored by them, is available is at the National Catholic Reporter website.

NCR is held in the same esteem as Hustler, around FR.

35 posted on 05/20/2002 5:59:18 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo
Insight links to NCR. The documents were published on NCR.
37 posted on 05/20/2002 6:19:49 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo
OK.

NCR is still the only place you can see the entire 1985 report.

It is HERE.

39 posted on 05/20/2002 6:39:13 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo
Between the RICO on the left coast and the page six on the eastcoast, it really looks like this has some planning and orchestration....dare I wonder if Hillary is involved?
40 posted on 05/20/2002 6:41:19 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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