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The Tribune Democrat ^ | 5/5/02 | SUSAN EVANS

[St.Chuck]

Catholic Taliban, homophobe, anti-semetic; Dr. Brown sure knows all the right phrases to delegitimize his critics. "Rigid" is the word that stood out for me. I was described just that way by a priest/socio/psychologist. Rigid must mean that you believe in the teaching of the church, and that you would apply your understanding of those teachings to your life. Dr. Brown is obviously opposed to those values and has absolutely no business screening prospective seminarians.

This is the age of the laity.

Scary thought.

[B Knotts]

I think we need a kind of elite squad of assistant inquisitors, under the authority of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, who go from parish to parish and watch for violations of Church doctrine and canon law.

[history_matters]

You're reading my mind.

[american colleen]

This is the age of the laity.

Scary thought.

And you are reading my mind! shiver

[sinkspur]

This is the age of the laity.

Scary thought.

Why is that scary? Laymen outnumber clergy and religious in the Catholic Church one hundred to one.

It's ALWAYS been the age of the laity, whether the hierarchy knew it or not.

[sinkspur]

I think we need a kind of elite squad of assistant inquisitors, under the authority of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, who go from parish to parish and watch for violations of Church doctrine and canon law.

Catholics United for the Faith used to do exactly that. They complained about even legitimate practices to Rome so often that Ratzinger got tired of listening to them.

[Renatus]

Why is that scary? Laymen outnumber clergy and religious in the Catholic Church one hundred to one.

Sinkspur, how many times does one have to tell you that the power to rule in the Church comes with the ministerial priesthood. This has nothing to do with the one hundred to one ratio. It has to do with the way Christ structured His Church.THE BISHOP AND PRIEST IS CONFIGURED TO CHRIST AS HEAD AND SHEPHERD!!!!!!!!!!!!Please accept this basic Catholic teaching. The bishop and priest is consecrated to bring the saving power of Christ to the laity in service to them. Those saving acts are the sacraments. Apparently you didn't learn this basic teaching in the seminary. Maybe where you went to the seminary the professors never taught you this basic teaching. Anyhow, what is it going to take to make you accept this?

[St.Chuck]

Why is that scary?

Oh, I just thought that little quip might be amusing to some.

Seriously, I love the church as it is (was), and am very reluctant to see any radical changes as being proposed by members of the laity. THe election of bishops for example. I am wary enough about an electorate that would give more votes to Al Gore than George Bush. Satan himself could be elected bishop with the right campaign and the current mess of clueless Catholics.

[sinkspur]

THE BISHOP AND PRIEST IS CONFIGURED TO CHRIST AS HEAD AND SHEPHERD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, I know that. I learned that. It was ground into me.

If bishops and priests are supposed to "serve" the laity, why are they abusing their children? Why are cardinals living in palaces, and riding around in limousines and flying first class to Rome and staying in five star hotels once they get there?

Many of the bishops "ruling" the Church in Christ's Name have made a grand mess of things, haven't they?

[Diago]

Satan himself could be elected bishop with the right campaign and the current mess of clueless Catholics.

Don't forget this election:

Give us Barabas

[sinkspur]

THe election of bishops for example.

Don't worry. Bishops won't be chosen any other way than they currently are in your lifetime. Bishops were chosen by priests and laity, in various ways, for nearly 1800 years.

Selecting bishops with the current politics is working well, isn't it?

[B Knotts]

Obviously, I wasn't talking about a lay organization, nor was I talking about reporting legal practices. You're not going to deny, are you, that there are many parishes which violate canon law on a regular basis? Certain things are certainly expected from each of us; I don't think obedience to the Magisterium is too much to ask from diocesan officials.

Sure, we could just have a beer, sit back and say "the heck with it" and watch as the Church becomes the New Episcopal Church, but I'd rather see something done to stop that, wouldn't you?

I'm not some SSPXer who demands the end of Novus Ordo or something; I'm just really getting concerned about the flagrant disobediance that seems to be running rampant in the U.S. Church right now.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Oh, I just thought that little quip might be amusing to some. Seriously, I love the church as it is (was), and am very reluctant to see any radical changes as being proposed by members of the laity.

When I said, This is the age of the laity, I should have been more specific, i.e., This is the age of the orthodox laity.

I meant it in reference to the fact that the faithful remnant of orthodox laity are the only hope the Church in America has left. The hierarchy is mostly corrupt and a whisker from open schism, Joe-six-pack in the pews has not a clue, and the only hope for true reform lies in the prayers and activism of the faithful orthodox remnant.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

dittos

[Domestic Church]

"I think we need a kind of elite squad of assistant inquisitors, under the authority of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, who go from parish to parish and watch for violations of Church doctrine and canon law."

Please...from your fingertips to God's Ears and Eyes. We need someone to say "hey you, yes you, you're outta here!" (And what is going on with Cardinal Law...is he staying or going? I keep seeing different headlines.)

[stands2reason]

BTW, in regard to women priestesses, I've noticed a preponderence of lesbian advocates and gay male advocates for this. Makes me wonder.
I can understand these people being anti-Christian, but that's not enough for them. They have to go and change the very definition of what a Christian is.

[St.Chuck]

Selecting bishops with the current politics is working well isn't it?

Yes, with relatively few exceptions, the current system is fine. On the other hand, there does seem to be a problem with suitable seminarians. Dr. Brown, I suppose, is your idea of the laity being more involved. Frankly, I'm grateful that there are enough holy priests and religious that the mess in the church is not much worse.

[Domestic Church]

"I watched one guy get another guy drunk and take him back to his room Why are they treating seminary like a frat party?"

Why didn't "I watched" hit the fire alarm...anything to stop this digusting horror.(And then I would have stuffed a straw full of anesthetized fruit flies under the door of the predator.)

[stands2reason]

I notice the writer didn't acknowledge the fact that the conservatives are following actual Church doctrine until several paragraphs deep into the piece...

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

current mess of clueless Catholics

give us Barabbas

Bingo! We have winners!