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Common Creationist Arguments - Pseudoscience
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Posted on 03/13/2002 4:47:26 AM PST by JediGirl

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To: VadeRetro
Well, I'd say Obduron, but Obbie had teeth. Of course, in your universe, O. insignis was only teeth and O. dickensoni was only a bit of jawbone.

In my world? I do not live in the world of fairy tales like the evolutionists. I have to see the evidence and you have none. Yes, there was some sort of a species attached to those bones. However, neither you nor I have the vaguest idea what those species looked like, what their characteristics were or where they descended from. In addition to which, even if I were to grant you that those who had those teeth and jaws did indeed have the characteristics of the platypus (which I definitely do not) you still could not trace all those features to any known species. So you lose Vade. I am correct. The platypus is just another living species which totally disproves the theory of evolution.

2,181 posted on 03/26/2002 6:08:06 PM PST by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
The skulls were totally unclassified. -me-

They have now been classified TOP SECRET "EMBRYONIC." You will be forwarded instructions on how to degauss your head.

As I say, when the opponent insults, it signifies he is conceding the discussion. Thanks for finally admitting that homo sapiens has no ancestors.

2,182 posted on 03/26/2002 6:11:35 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
No you are not. The Bible says "you shall know them by their deeds". Your deeds disprove your assertions.

since you apparently have the right to decide who is and is not christian, what are his deeds that prove he is not christian?

2,183 posted on 03/26/2002 6:16:05 PM PST by JediGirl
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To: VadeRetro
Yeah, they changed the name. Boy, that proves a lot!

No they did not just change the name, they changed the species from its own to homo erectus. So, regardless of your sophistry, it is not proof of his being an ancestor to homo sapiens. In fact you should read the story of this skull. It was found in a mine. It was seriously mistreated by the miners. There were other skeletons found with it which were totally destroyed. The site was never available for examination and many more problems which make this skull totally unusable as proof of anything.

2,184 posted on 03/26/2002 6:18:47 PM PST by gore3000
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To: JediGirl
since you apparently have the right to decide who is and is not christian, what are his deeds that prove he is not christian?

Now is your chance to state whether you are a Christian or not.

2,185 posted on 03/26/2002 7:03:54 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Now is your chance to state whether you are a Christian or not.

No longer am I.

2,186 posted on 03/26/2002 7:08:44 PM PST by JediGirl
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To: JediGirl
No longer am I.

Okay. But you never were.

2,187 posted on 03/26/2002 7:09:37 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: gore3000
The framework was established by looking at actual creatures,

Bingo! By Jove, I think he's got it! Oh wait, the rest of his post proves that any insight was purely a fleeting thing. Okay, now g3k, you've finally understood, after how many months, that scientific frameworks are built upon observation -- but the kicker is, those observations can be used to predict things that cannot be observed, such as the prediction that no dinosaur ever had mammary glands (where's Dr. Demento when you need him?). That, my boy, is science.

Sometimes I get the impression I'm arguing with a 14-year-old.

2,188 posted on 03/27/2002 2:21:13 AM PST by Junior
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To: gore3000
One more time. The one-celled critter and the human being got the coding for the eye from the same place -- a common ancestor. Just because Euglena is one-celled does not mean it has been around since the beginning of life, and simply because it is an animal does not mean it is the forerunner of all other animals. Remember the forks we talked about earlier (probably not, as your memory has proven to be extensively faulty)? You are making simple errors that prove you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when it comes to evolution. You may think you do, but anyone with anything approaching a brain in his head can see right through you.
2,189 posted on 03/27/2002 2:25:34 AM PST by Junior
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To: gore3000
The bones you were trying to pass off as the ancestors of homo sapiens were indeed the re-dated, re-classified remains of some Java fossils.

Yeah? So? They were never claimed to be Java Man, they were claimed to be Homo Erectus. If I found the remains of Homo Erectus in Paris, the result would not be "Paris Man." Once more, your inability to process even basic concepts when dealing with this theory do not speak well of your understanding of it.

2,190 posted on 03/27/2002 2:31:17 AM PST by Junior
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To: jennyp
Ping. (They've moved the thread.)
2,191 posted on 03/27/2002 3:00:54 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Junior
the kicker is, those observations can be used to predict things that cannot be observed,

No it cannot - as I have shown with the platypus. If the platypus had never been found everyone would have thought it was a live birthing animal. The reason why live birthing is not included in the list of essential mammalian characteristics is the platypus. Also none of the unique features of the platypus would have been predicted by your phony paleontological science.

In addition, this paleontological "science" contradicts your evolutionary theory of gradual change of species. There is no reason why totally unrelated characteristics should have evolved together at the same time. It is totally ridiculous to say such a thing.

2,192 posted on 03/27/2002 3:52:04 AM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
Yeah? So? They were never claimed to be Java Man, they were claimed to be Homo Erectus.

The article you posted, as I pointed out already, was so unscientific (or perhaps so deceitful) that it never identified what the fossils were originally classified as. What we do know is that it was re-dated based on (tara) some teeth, of some animal, found near the site of the original find - decades after the fossil was found. In other words, the whole thing smells to high heaven.

2,193 posted on 03/27/2002 4:00:18 AM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
" The one-celled critter and the human being got the coding for the eye from the same place -- a common ancestor. "

Repeating yourself does not answer the questions I posed to you:

Where did Euglena get the eye-spot (it does see light from it). How did the eye of other species descend from Euglena? (and by that I mean through what species).

Note one thing, if there is a match between the eye-spot of the Euglena AND you can find the direct lineage of that trait through other higher species, then you can say that this is proof of evolution. However, if:
1. you cannot find where the Euglena got the eye spot.
OR
2. you cannot find the direct succession of Euglena's eyes to higher species.
OR
3. you cannot show that the gene for the eye-spot in Euglena is the same as those of higher species (this was your statement remember, so you cannot back off from it).
THEN
Euglena is a strong proof against the theory of evolution.

2,194 posted on 03/27/2002 4:11:22 AM PST by gore3000
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To: longshadow
But they are so...intriging...so thought provoking...they draw me in with their logic..drawing me ever downward into the warm safe womb of dark ignorance...
Oldcats
2,195 posted on 03/27/2002 4:48:42 AM PST by oldcats
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To: jennyp
Good analogy....
But when sitting on the same bench, you happen to witness an act of pure stupidity and ignorance, doesn't the rational mind cry out in agony?
Oldcats
P.S. And are you THE real jennyp? :)
2,196 posted on 03/27/2002 4:56:32 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
Ya know...you are so very good at asking multitudes of questions, yet you refuse to answer any posted to you. Why is that so?
And please do not insult my intellegence by saying "waht questions"? There have been scores, if not hundreds of questions asked of you in replies, but you conviently miss them.
Oldcats
2,197 posted on 03/27/2002 5:07:31 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
The above is the assumption of evolutionists. Assumptions are not science. Assumptions are not facts. Assumptions are not proof of anything. To prove such a thing you need evidence and you have none at all.
Are you prepared to hold your beliefs to the same rules?
Oldcats
2,198 posted on 03/27/2002 5:23:26 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
The charts and (what you call trees) are not offered as proof...they are a small part of a bigger picture. You expect one chart...one graph..one line to explain it all. Sorry, eveolution is not as simplistic as "God did it".
As I have said before, and will say again....you are always whinning about facts and proof to support this theory....can you produce the same to support your own? Why do you expect from others, what you are not prepared to supply yourself. You accuse me of not answering questions...I (and others) have been doing that over and over again...just because the asnwers are not the ones you want to hear does not make them any less valid.
Oldcats
2,199 posted on 03/27/2002 5:34:28 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
Does it not also say.."judge not, lest ye be judged"?
Oldcats
2,200 posted on 03/27/2002 5:36:38 AM PST by oldcats
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