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Common Creationist Arguments - Pseudoscience
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Posted on 03/13/2002 4:47:26 AM PST by JediGirl

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To: Nebullis
Neat. I learn something new every day. Time to upgrade my thinking.
1,981 posted on 03/26/2002 1:37:49 AM PST by Junior
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To: PatrickHenry
Lurking ...
1,982 posted on 03/26/2002 2:29:33 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
ROFL! Me too!
1,983 posted on 03/26/2002 2:45:42 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Junior
And the genes coding for that eye-spot (not true eye, as you keep saying) would be similar

What absolute garbage! How were the genes transferred from the Euglena to man? Super-evo molecular transference? There are hundreds of species between Euglena and man in your stupid evo trees that had no eyes. Let's see some proof not garbage from you folk.

1,984 posted on 03/26/2002 4:50:37 AM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
Proof positive you have absolutely no idea of what the real theory of evolution states. The framework predicts that mammals, and only mammals -- the warm-blooded critters with three ear bones,

It is utterly unbelievable what moronic things you say in support of your ideology! The only reason the ear-bones are necessary is that we have not yet found a mammal that does not have those ear bones. And we will never find a mammal without ear-bones because paleontologists will classify anything with 3 ear bones as a mammal and anything else as not a mammal. It has nothing to do with biology, it has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to do with a necessary connection between the organism of mammary glands and ear bones. All it has to do with is that bones prove very little and you folk make up false standards to make more of those bones than you are entitled to.

1,985 posted on 03/26/2002 5:00:29 AM PST by gore3000
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To: Junior
VadeRetro did show you a whole series of skulls.

Vade showed garbage. Totally unclassified skulls, not called homo erectus or homo sapiens. The one he showed from the phony TalkOrigins site, I blew out of the water as a total fake. I also blew out your phony Java Man transformed into a homo erectus. You, like the professional whores of evolution are just playing the bone game. Classifying and reclassifying bones to fit your theory with absolutely no scientific evidence for it.

And kindly, when you purport to refute my statements, refer to what you are refuting. I make enough posts here for you to answer them directly, not second hand.

1,986 posted on 03/26/2002 5:07:53 AM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
The one he showed from the phony TalkOrigins site, I blew out of the water as a total fake.

No, you didn't. You followed the Creationist Arguments link from the TalkOrigins page already linked for you, lifted the creationist arguments . . .

Perhaps the most remarkable feature of this fossil is that it was found about sixty feet underground at the far end of a shaft in a lead and zinc mine. He was either mining lead and zinc himself or was in the mine shaft at a time when lead and zinc were being mined by other humans -- indicating a very high degree of civilization and technology. Not surprisingly, many evolutionists report that Rhodesian Man was found in a cave. While not an outright lie, one has to consider if calling a mine shaft a cave is not a crude attempt to minimize the technical abilities of ancient humans.
. . . and ignored the refutations already sitting there.

There is no deception. As the original paper on Rhodesian Man (Woodward 1921) clearly states, the fossils were found in a cave, which was found in a mine. Lubenow's claim that the Rhodesian Man was mining lead and zinc is one of his more spectacular mistakes. No evolutionist has ever claimed that Rhodesian Man was mining. Why would they? The mine is of recent (19th century) origin, and Rhodesian Man was found in it along with remains of other animals (perhaps they were mining too?).
Amusing and revealing that you would so transparently lift a discredited argument and then claim it as your own without credit to the hapless bozo you stole it from.
1,987 posted on 03/26/2002 5:20:25 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
Even this author says that the dating can be anywhere from 200,000 years ago to 125,000 years ago. The earliest date for homo sapiens is 100,000 years ago.

Recall that I predicted that you would continue to argue gaps until your gaps were smaller than the error bars in the dating of the skulls. We have arrived.

Most people don't know there is a gap in non-Neanderthal hominid fossils. But you and I know that our fossil series is made of discrete fossils, don't we, and however you date them, there are gaps between them.

But this proves what exactly?

1,988 posted on 03/26/2002 5:29:10 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
There is a powerful line of evidence showing that species with mammary glands give life birth - all known mammals except the monotremes. Nevertheless life is far more bountiful, far more different, than your ideology provides for. This is only partially about mammaries in dinosaurs. The main point is that paleontology is circular reasoning, it is a self-fullfilling prophecy.

You never did reproduce the evo logic. Rather, you pretended to not understand. "So you admit there's no proof?" Whatever.

It was No-Kin-To-Monkeys, of all people--I mean, look at that screenname--who took the challenge of trying to think like an evo and eventually lurched to the conclusion the evo way. It about killed both of us. Me, anyway.

You're simply bubblin' and babblin'.

1,989 posted on 03/26/2002 5:34:01 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
This is just a total strawman presented to both attack me and attack Christianity.
First of all, I am not attacking Christianity...as I have stated before, I am a Christian. Second, how do you take that line as an attack against you personally? Sounds like whinning to me....waaaaaaa...
Just when have I ever said that a "mysterious force" was needed? You accuse me of putting words into YOUR mouth, then turn around and do the same. Tsk-tsk There is no force needed IMO. Just a natural progression of changes, and adaptations with a sprinkling of genetic mutation tossed in, spread out thru millions of years. Quite simple actually.

I do notice that instead of addressing the request in that post, you chose to just extract one line. Guess like I said, it is too much to ask your side to follow the rules and retraints that you put on us.
Oldcats
1,990 posted on 03/26/2002 5:46:21 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
VadeRetro: Fossils get reclassified / renamed all the time.

gore3000: They sure are! And each time we are told that this is the last time.

Nah! There's never a last time. But, when you get to where No-Kin untangles the mystery of why an evo would say there are no mamms on a dino, you'll note the tree of life figures heavily in the argument.

Biologists make trees of relationship all the time, argue over them, revise them. But "common descent with modification" means there's a real tree out there. You might need a time machine to get it absolutely positively right, but it's out there. It's like your own geneology. In fact, it is your rather extended geneology.

You might not know your geneology beyond who your great-great grandfather was, but it extends back into the mists of time. I mean, you know that great-great grandfather of yours had a father and mother. You just don't know who they were.

When you try to uncover more data (visiting graveyards and county courthouses, using web search tools, etc.) you start to extend your knowledge.

But you also keep having to revise, as you start to get contradictory data from different sources. You get ambiguous data that leaves exact relationships unclear.

You realize that your tree is imperfect both in how far back it goes and in its level of detail, especially as you go farther back. Your tree will never be perfect in your lifetime, cannot ever be perfect with the data preservation that exists, but if you work at it you can still improve your knowledge.

1,991 posted on 03/26/2002 5:47:35 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
Where is the science in Creationism?
Again, I ask that you use the same eye on your theory as you do one mine.
Lets see the FACTS that support your "science".
Oldcats
1,992 posted on 03/26/2002 5:48:34 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
Waaaah...waaah...waaah....
I have seen many of your cronnies do the same....what's wrong, can't take a little of your own medicene? Grow up dude...
Oldcats
1,993 posted on 03/26/2002 5:58:34 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
As I have been asking for proof of Creationism....where is it?
To paraphrase your own line...(and you did just type this so you can't accuse me of making it up)
Prove it instead of constantly asserting that Creation is true because the facts must fit Creation.
Quit asking for that which you are not willing to provide yourself.
Oldcats
1,994 posted on 03/26/2002 6:02:53 AM PST by oldcats
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To: gore3000
You win the point on his stating that life was originally created. However, what Darwin said in matters of religion and what he meant were totally different things. The man was a hypocrite as the following passage from his letters shows:

You keep changing the subject. You claimed (in post #1750) that all evolutionists were atheists, and that neither Darwin nor any other evolutionist ever said that God created life which evolved from that point. I replied (in post #1812) that Darwin said exactly that in The Origin of Species. You now respond that Darwin "was a hypocrite" because he wrote a letter worrying that Biblical Literalists would have a problem with his book. (Another prediction of Darwin's that came true!)

The point is not whether Darwin was a Biblical Literalist. Had you made that claim, I would have agreed with you; no evolutionist has ever believed in a word-for-word literal interpretation of Genesis 1-3; neither, for that matter, do many religious people who are not evolutionists. But that is simply not the issue we were discussing. You were claiming that there can be no such thing as a Theistic Evolutionist, and that evolution is inherently atheistic. I proved you wrong.

Your problem seems to be that you cannot imagine that there can be people who believe in God but also believe that parts of the Bible are allegories or parables. There are. They may be wrong (or you may be wrong), but they exist.

1,995 posted on 03/26/2002 6:05:04 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian
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To: gore3000
So tell us, what kind of tree is this? A pear tree, a mimosa, an oak tree? We are dying to know. Is it the same tree Noah built his ark from? It seems to have enough branches to fit all creation in it!
That has got to be the most stupid, inane thing I have ever seen you post...all it needs is a few hyphens in it, and it will be right up there with you know who!
Congrats, you have sunk to a whole new level.
Now if you would like to discuss Noah, why not start a new thread..I would love to see your "proof" of that!
Oldcats
1,996 posted on 03/26/2002 6:05:18 AM PST by oldcats
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To: f.Christian
go g3 go
What's wrong....finally wear out your hyphen key?
Oldcats
1,997 posted on 03/26/2002 6:06:35 AM PST by oldcats
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Your problem seems to be that you cannot imagine that there can be people who believe in God but also believe that parts of the Bible are allegories or parables. There are. They may be wrong (or you may be wrong), but they exist.
Thanx L L. I have tried to make this point before...myself being a Christian that believes in evolution...but it is hopeless. They cannot fathom the idea that someone does not believe exactlly that same as they do.
I have challanges g3 to a debate on Noah, but I doubt he will take up the gauntlet.
Oldcats
1,998 posted on 03/26/2002 6:14:16 AM PST by oldcats
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To: Junior
Sorry, Vade, but the boy just flat-out showed he did not know of that which he was talking.

If butting in is a sin, I'm the worst offender in the world. As for gore, he's always showing what it means to be gore.

1,999 posted on 03/26/2002 6:14:32 AM PST by VadeRetro
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