Common Creationist Arguments - Pseudoscience

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[Dimensio]

But, more realistically, the major problem which the Cydonia findings presents to the people in these agencies is one of basic scientific paradigms. Nobody could build all of this stuff on this kind of a megalithic scale with space-suits on; the planet has to be habitable for Cydonia to get built. This is a huge problem, in that it would require a totally different basic theory of the history of our solar system from the one which the scientists have.

That's great, Ted, but the formation of the solar system (and the entire universe) is a matter independant of evolution.

[texicano]

The responses to my critisism to jedi- girl's childish screed reveals the spirit that the scripture refers to as promoting science so-called . And as far as those who claim to be beleivers , yet complain about those of us who actually believe what God has to say about the cosmos He has created one of two things must be true ,either you are being disingenuous and never held the beliefs you claim ,or you a problem with linier logic .Anyone who says that the complex nature of the created universe is auto-generated is not looking for truth , but rather an excuse to ignor the clear implications of the existence of an Allmighty God . And as far as the silly attempt at rhetorical sophistry that God can't be dethroned , the gift of free will in fact does allow that God can be dethroned in the heart of those that reject his grand offer of pardon and friendship .

[medved]

Don't bother. He won't listen. And, he's likely to try to have you banned.

You're trying to get YOURSELF banned, "Junior"

A Portrait of "Junior"
In His Own Words on the FreeRepublic Forum

"We've got a whole lot of these folks on this forum..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#4

"Knowing gore3000, he'll take a look at your link and claim that evolutionists say coyotes are descended from whales. Do not underestimate the power of willful ignorance..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#68

You didn't even read the freakin' article, you dolt, or you wouldn't have made the inane comment about whales evolving from coyotes, or vice versa. Do you ever read any of the stuff we give you, or do you glance at the pretty pictures, decide that nothing's going to change your mind and then post inanities on these threads?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#143

My theory has always been he's nothing more than a rather primitive computer algorythm.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#152

You are the only person I've met who suffered from Tourette's Syndrome of the keyboard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#384

Face it, gore3000, your brain (or programming) has been trained to force a cognitive disassociation between the pariticulars of evidence and the sum total of evidence. You can't see the forest for the trees. You'll pick at individual pieces of evidence given you, but fail to understand the overall picture painted by the evidence coming in from dozens of scientific disciplines. And, you show an inherent inability to actually learn anything
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#632

except by creationists who cannot see the forest for the trees and refuse to accept any evidence unless in the form of a living, breathing critter (and then they'd probably claim it was ginned up by geneticists in some secret laboratory to mislead good, God-fearing Christians in an effort to damn their souls to Hell).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#750

Gee, you get caught quote-mining red handed, and attempt to weedle out of it by bantering semantics. You haven't read any real science since that nice old guy down the street introduced you to Saturnism... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#978

Dear, dear, deluded g3k.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1073

What must God think of you that you are reduced to bantering semantics, twisting words, willful ignorance, and outright lies to support Biblical creation?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1080

I never said that, you liar and twister of words. The serpent in the Garden of Eden could take tips from you.... Remember, God said, "Thou shall not bear false witness" (which means lying). Of course, you probably think lying for God makes you a saint, don't you?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1082

Ahem, Mr. "I've got to lie for God,"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1088

I'm wondering if my asking gore3000 how he believed God felt about his lying for Him is what caused him to clam up. Medved, you claim God hates idiots, but not one of the commandments states "Thou shalt not be stupid." However, there is a "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Now that you know that your quotes are, at best, disengenuous, shouldn't you attempt to distance yourself from them, or is it okay to lie as long as it's "for the children?" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1209

That is why PatrickHenry keeps publishing the list - so that y'all do not keep spouting the same, discredited drivel. http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a68abe52d91.htm#147

I merely said that's what the Indians claim. And shortsighted politicians are more than willing to bend over and grab their ankles for these folks.
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a68abe52d91.htm#191

Ah... the "Static Cling Theory" of life, the universe and everything. Came to you one day while cleaning out the dryer lint trap, did it?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/636491/posts?q=1&&page=101#140

I figured it had to be you. Can't keep a tinfoil hatter down.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/634527/posts?q=1&&page=51#55

Your beliefs can't be proven scientifically so they must be forced on the populace through deception and the courtroom. Nice. In a few centuries America will have come to resemble the Islamic world in its backwardness and you can sit back in that special Hell God reserves for people who lie in His name, and gloat at your handiwork.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/634066/posts?q=1&&page=151#164

Proof positive you have absolutely no clue about that which you speak. Your creationist brethren have given up this argument as factually incorrect, but you persist in your ignorance as if it were some sort of talisman keeping the real world at bay.
The Sun does not "reverse" entropy, you muggle....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=201#203

BTW, a mutation is simply a change in the genome. It happens all the time -- usually during the creation of the sex cells from transcription errors (there is a word for this, but I cannot remember it for the life of me). Sometimes it is caused by an external influence -- a stray particle of radiation might knock part of a gene out of kilter (the biggest source of such radiation, BTW, is the Sun), or environmental chemicals might play merry hell with one's genetic coding. It's quite common and happens all the time -- which you would know if you actually read something other than the Bible once in a while.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=301#346

Oh, I forgot, the scientific community is conspiring to keep you silent, so just sit in your basement and brood...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=351#356

A case could be made that you should alter your drinking...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=351#372

You are more incoherent than usual. Have they upped the dosage on your meds?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=551#556

Are you being dense, or what? A descendent species can coexist with its parent species. There is nothing precluding Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Sapien from occupying the planet at the same time. The fact that you cannot see this obvious situation indicates a lack of thought on your part.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts?q=1&&page=1370#1367

gore3000: God did it. I have special dispensation to lie for God. Besides, I'll ignore all your evidence so that I can complain you never give me any.
medved: God came from Saturn.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts?q=1&&page=1408

[oldcats]

Thanx for the laugh dude.....
When can we make reservations at the Medvedopolis Hilton? Looks like a real snazzy place.
Give me a break...I fail to see anything that remotely looks man-made...or should I say martian made in those pictures. Guess the idea of natural formations is too difficult for you to grasp?
Oldcats

[oldcats]

Burn.......
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[Junior]

The king o' spam.

[far sider]

You need to understand that only a few creationists are lying or presented slanted facts and distortions of reality. The majority of them honestly believe the inane babble that they were taught by the lying few, so when a creationist tells you that the earth's magnetic field decay rate is such that the planet would have been uninhabitable even one-hundred thousand years ago it is more likely that they believe it to be true rather than that they are simply lying and hoping you won't already know that the earth's magnetic field oscillates regularly

Nobody knows that it oscillates. That's just another ad hoc theory evolutionists use to explain inconvenient facts of science. "We just happen to be in the decreasing part of the oscillation." Just like nutrinos just happen to become "undetectable" when they pass by the earth.

I am a creationist. If I express my beliefs about Creation it's because I've studied them and I believe them. So please don't say that all Creationists are liars or just parroting what they've heard from others, just because you disagree with them.

[medved]

That's great, Ted, but the formation of the solar system (and the entire universe) is a matter independant of evolution.

Not really, particularly in this case. It's the basic evolutionist requirement for millions and billions of years which is the problem. The first thing which scientists would normally do would be to try to claim that Mars was somehow habitable 10 or 200 million years ago ( per their instinct wrt evolution) and that might be workable (to them at least) IF the images those probes were bringing back were those of total aliens with eight eyes, horns, and tails. Nonetheless, the images we see are definitely human so that they'd be trying to claim that monkeys got to Mars 10 million years ago and evolved into humans, and that's too much even for them.

Evolution is part of a larger doctrine called uniformity or uniiformitarianism, which posits that changes in biological and geological forms take place slowly over vast expanses of time via processes which we observe now, and that doctrine clearly cannot coexist with the notion of finding a destroyed human civilization on Mars, or 2100' below the waves off Cuba either, for that matter.

[Hunble]

He has created one of two things must be true ,either you are being disingenuous and never held the beliefs you claim ,or you a problem with linier logic .Anyone who says that the complex nature of the created universe is auto-generated is not looking for truth , but rather an excuse to ignor the clear implications of the existence of an Allmighty God.

Can you translate this into English please?

But I absolutly agree with one thing. One of us is being disingenuous!

Please review everything that I have posted today on this thread. If I stated anything that is not factual, please let me know and I will correct the error.

[oldcats]

Not that Junior can't fight his own fights, but where has he broken any of the posting guidelines that would get him banned? His postings are way less insultive than yours.
Again I repeat myself...banning someone is the last resort of the desperate.
What's wrong, can't take a little critisism?
Oldcats.

[oldcats]

"Nonetheless, the images we see are definitely human"
Which images might those be? The so-called face? Have you seen that same formation at a different angle? with different lighting? Of cousrse YOU haven't..that would not fit into your theory, so therefor it doesn't exsist.
I guess you don't believe that we ever landed on the moon either? That the space shuttle is just a big Testor model?
Oldcats

[DittoJed2]

The God of creation is not being discredited. Creation as biblically told (i mean, it's a great story) is just that--a story. There are a lot of religious Creation stories out there, dear. And all are equally inaccurate because they are based on fairy tale and folklore. Point is, it makes you feel safe and warm to think God specially made you doesn't it? And the "harsh" reality of evolution makes you want to hide under the covers because it's challenging all that you've ever known or at least the core of your beliefs, when, if your beliefs are based that deeply in Creation, I think you should re-evaluate what it is you do believe.
Here, let me fix that for you, dear.

The god of evolution is not being discredited. Evolution as popularly told (i mean, it's a great story) is just that--a story. There are a lot of theoretical origin stories out there, dear. And all are equally inaccurate because they are based on fairy tale and folklore. Point is, it makes you feel safe and warm to think that you aren't specially accountable to an almighty God who is your judge doesn't it? And the "harsh" reality of creation makes you want to hide under the covers because it's challenging all that you've ever known or at least the core of your beliefs, when, if your beliefs are based that deeply in Evolution, I think you should re-evaluate what it is you do believe.

Ah, that's better.

[Junior]

All we have asked is that you quit spamming every freakin' thread with the same old drivel. You can create your own thread and put all that stuff in there, and then you can link to it on each thread. It would save us the effort of downloading it, and you would still get your point across. I know you think it's your God-given right to post this time and time again, just like the folks who think it's their God-given right to drive 50 mph in the left lane of the interstate, but have some courtesy for your fellow Freepers and spare them the agonizing download times.

[medved]

Again I repeat myself...banning someone is the last resort of the desperate.

Then send Jim Robinson an email message telling him you'd like him to eliminate the basic rules of FR and allow FR to become another forum like talk.origins.

[oldcats]

So I am not theonly one here with a 386 and an old modem. LOL
Actually Mr. medved....I love my T-3 here at work.
Oldcats

[jimt]

If memory serves, Stephen Gould and others like him have made that same basic claim; the idea of selection being an agency of stasis is fairly common and nobody on top of such studies disputes it.

My approach to problem solving (and beliefs) is pragmatic, typical of an engineer. The only "authorities" I care about are those whose predictions seem to fall in line with reality. The idea of natural selection seems very logical and seems to explain why some changes are successful and others aren't.

So I have no idea who Gould is. Or the other "authorities" cited on the website. They're irrelevant to me.

But the website cites the "what use is part of a wing" argument as a proof. This argument falls on its face right out of the chute. Part of a wing might enable a hunter to stay in the air slightly longer on a jump across a ditch, for one example. This would give an advantage in chasing prey, hence enhancing survivability.

Perhaps the website author is merely a poor writer. Or perhaps the use of overly long sentences, excessive prepositional phrases and obfuscatory language are key props to an easily refutable argument.

At any rate, while Bishop Usher applied a scholarly approach, there's a heck of a lot of evidence that his basic fact set was a little limited.

And only an idiot would say the theory of evolution, if it is true, proves there is no God. It doesn't say anything about God.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Nobody knows that it oscillates.

There's some pretty good evidence in the layers of rocks with alternating magnetic orientation. The rock layers on ocean floors have patterns agreeing with those on land. The oscillation of earth's magnetic field isn't an ad hoc hypothesis, it has a rock solid foundation.

Just like nutrinos just happen to become "undetectable" when they pass by the earth.

What's this supposed to mean? Do you believe that neutrinos would be detectable somewhere else? What evidence do you have about neutrino detectability?

[Junior]

I've got a T-1 at work, but I'm still working with a 56k modem at home. I see this as a matter of courtesy. Some people believe they have the right to inconvenience everyone else.

[oldcats]

Why should I...am I the one threatening to ban everyone that says something bad to me or dares disagree with me? Looking back at those posts you so nicely copy and pasted...a great deal of them were not even directed at you? Why do you feel the need to fight other peoples fights?
I can take critisism quite well sir...when it is warranted and thought out.
Oldcats

[oldcats]

Here here....simple courtsey is too strange of a concept for some to grasp.
Not that I am implying anyone in particular
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