Posted on 08/07/2025 6:57:08 AM PDT by ebb tide
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When I was stationed in Germany, I could attend and (almost) fully participate in the mass. (I was o.k. with the parts in the local language.) I hope we American soldiers were a blessing to that local German community. They were a blessing for us.
At another time and in another place, we had a special Easter service one year. In it, we sang a song with parts in a variety of languages (thanks to members of the choir who were able to sing in one or another of these languages).
We are one in the Spirit. We are one in the Lord.
We are one in the Spirit. We are one in the Lord.
And we pray that our unity will one day be restored.
And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love.
And they’ll know we are Christians by our love.
I had a long conversation with the Institute of Christ the King’s Monsignor Schmitz. He told me they are hungry for the Faith, but if they are left alone for even a short period they go back to the old ways (including random coupling and nothing in the way of family structure). He was honored with a feast of monkey brains, which he made himself eat out of manners, but with the course of steamed baby monkeys was presented, he was unable. This was in Gabon.
That song was written by an ex-priest, Father Peter Scholtes, in the 1960's.
By the 1980s, Scholtes had left the priesthood and become a business management consultant and author.
P.S. Scholtes died and was buried outside the Catholic Church.
So much for “one in the Lord”.
The devil doesn’t need you to condemn the dead. He has all the evidence necessary to convict each and every one of us. I’m just glad I’ll have Jesus on my side come the final judgment.
I haven’t condemned anyone.
Get off your high horse.
P.S. The devil doesn’t condemn the dead. Jesus Christ does. Are you even still a Catholic?
Perhaps you are so in the habit of saying hateful things that you don’t realize it.
You misrepresent Jesus by saying he condemns people. Jesus doesn’t condemn anybody. Just the opposite. Jesus said I did not come into the world to condemn, but that the world be saved. Check it out: John 3:17.
We are all sinners. Even you anti-Catholics. You too are sinners. In terms of the final judgment, you will one day be in the same boat as I and everybody else. That is, in need of forgiveness. Another thing that Jesus said is judge not lest ye be judged. That would be Matthew 7:1-3.
Now I'm convinced you're no longer a Catholic, if you ever were one.
From the Apostles Creed:
...on the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty; from thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
You're dead wrong when you claim the devil condemns souls. He gladly welcomes them, but he doesn't judge them; Christ does.
Who the hell cares wht you think of me.
Let’s think about the final judgement. We seem to have some conflicting verses.
As you point out, the Apostles Creed has Jesus to judge the living and the dead.
As I point out, Jesus came into the world not to condemn, but to provide salvation.
Would you like to go first in reconciling these seemingly contradictory verses? It would be o.k. to look up what recognized scholars have said.
Sure. That's easy. There is no reconciliation needed. Both statements are true.
Christ came into this world, established His Church, and suffered His Passion solely to save souls; not condemn them. That was His primary purpose.
However, He alone will be the judge on who is saved and who is not.
You nonsense about Satan condemning souls is ludicrous.
Who is responsible for your terrible catechesis?
OK, go for it!
Pull up one Catholic scholar who supports your crazy claim that the devil, not Jesus Christ, condemns souls.
I'm not holding my breath.
I see you cannot reconcile Jesus is coming to judge the living and the dead with Jesus is the one who condemns us [your view]; and, you aren’t interested in whether Jesus condemns us can be reconciled with Jesus saying he comes not to condemn but to bring salvation.
I didn’t say the devil condemns us. We condemn ourselves insofar as we are sinners. The devil is the prosecuting attorney at our trial. Not the judge. He accuses us of our sins as and we are all sinners knows this we are all condemned. Even you are condemned, as ignorance is not the same as innocence.
At the last judgment, Jesus will be our kinsman-redeemer. His decision to pay the price for our sins is all that saves us from the condemnation we deserve. You can say he is the judge and also the defense attorney at the trial.
Post #12 is pretty good because you corrected your prior misstatement that Jesus condemns us. You correctly state in post #12 that Jesus judges us.
Now you’re just digging a deeper hole for youself.
You said the devil condemns us.
Do you stand by that heretical statement?
Yes, you did. You said:
The devil doesn’t need you to condemn the dead. He has all the evidence necessary to convict each and every one of us.
Lying is a sin. I would hope you had realized that at an earlier age.
ebb, If you ever look in a Bible, check out about Satan being described as the Accuser. I said the devil doesn’t need your help to condemn us. By this, I was referring to Satan as the Accuser. Satan doesn’t need witnesses or DNA or any form of evidence at all. All of our sins will be right there in the Book of Death. Each one of us will be accused of sins of which we and God know we are guilty.
It’s a good thing that you stopped misrepresenting Jesus as the one who condemns us. It would be a further good thing if you weren’t so quick to judge others.
You can say he (Jesus Christ) is the judge and also the defense attorney at the trial.
And you have also said:
The devil is the prosecuting attorney at our trial.
So in your little world, no one goes to Hell because they have God, both as their defense attorney and their Judge. How could Satan win against that team? How could God lose?
P.S. Satan is known as the Father of Lies, what kind of God would allow that type of "prosecuting attorney" affect His Final Judgement on a poor soul?
He (the devil) has all the evidence necessary to convict each and every one of us.
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