Posted on 06/06/2024 10:35:51 AM PDT by ebb tide
Who would that be?
And please ping that person in your response.
Why....you don't.
Not proof of your false accusation.
But they are facts.
Facts you can never disprove. And you ought to give credit to the source of your quotes, another “FRoman”, according to AMPU.
I knew you wouldn’t identify “him”.
I’m not surprised.
>>Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn’t be quick to judge a duly elected Pope or call him incendiary names.<<
What makes you think Bergoglio was "duly elected"? Are you not aware of the Saint Gallen Mafia?
14 posted on 11/27/2023, 7:15:07 PM by ebb tide
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Nobody has to submit to nutjobs like Bergoglio or Luther, ....
22 posted on 4/4/2022, 10:29:33 PM by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies | Report Abuse]
Well....yeah ya do.
"Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff" (Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus, dicimus, definimus, et pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis). https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15126a.htm
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Well, it certainly isn't YOU!! LOL!!!
But I am glad to know you recognize your denomination!! LOL....this is too easy.
How about this one?
Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302 Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins, as the Spouse in the Canticles [Sgs 6:8] proclaims: ‘One is my dove, my perfect one. She is the only one, the chosen of her who bore her,‘ and she represents one sole mystical body whose Head is Christ and the head of Christ is God [1 Cor 11:3]. In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Eph 4:5]. There had been at the time of the deluge only one ark of Noah, prefiguring the one Church, which ark, having been finished to a single cubit, had only one pilot and guide, i.e., Noah, and we read that, outside of this ark, all that subsisted on the earth was destroyed.
We venerate this Church as one, the Lord having said by the mouth of the prophet: ‘Deliver, O God, my soul from the sword and my only one from the hand of the dog.’ [Ps 21:20] He has prayed for his soul, that is for himself, heart and body; and this body, that is to say, the Church, He has called one because of the unity of the Spouse, of the faith, of the sacraments, and of the charity of the Church. This is the tunic of the Lord, the seamless tunic, which was not rent but which was cast by lot [Jn 19:23- 24]. Therefore, of the one and only Church there is one body and one head, not two heads like a monster; that is, Christ and the Vicar of Christ, Peter and the successor of Peter, since the Lord speaking to Peter Himself said: ‘Feed my sheep‘ [Jn 21:17], meaning, my sheep in general, not these, nor those in particular, whence we understand that He entrusted all to him [Peter]. Therefore, if the Greeks or others should say that they are not confided to Peter and to his successors, they must confess not being the sheep of Christ, since Our Lord says in John ‘there is one sheepfold and one shepherd.’ We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal. For when the Apostles say: ‘Behold, here are two swords‘ [Lk 22:38] that is to say, in the Church, since the Apostles were speaking, the Lord did not reply that there were too many, but sufficient. Certainly the one who denies that the temporal sword is in the power of Peter has not listened well to the word of the Lord commanding: ‘Put up thy sword into thy scabbard‘ [Mt 26:52]. Therefore, both are in the power of the Church, namely, the spiritual sword and the material. But indeed, the latter is to be exercised on behalf of the Church; and truly, the former is to be exercised by the Church. The former is of the priest; the latter is by the hand of kings and soldiers, but at the will and sufferance of the priest.
However, one sword ought to be subordinated to the other and temporal authority, subjected to spiritual power. For since the Apostle said: ‘There is no power except from God and the things that are, are ordained of God‘ [Rom 13:1-2], but they would not be ordained if one sword were not subordinated to the other and if the inferior one, as it were, were not led upwards by the other.
For, according to the Blessed Dionysius, it is a law of the divinity that the lowest things reach the highest place by intermediaries. Then, according to the order of the universe, all things are not led back to order equally and immediately, but the lowest by the intermediary, and the inferior by the superior. Hence we must recognize the more clearly that spiritual power surpasses in dignity and in nobility any temporal power whatever, as spiritual things surpass the temporal. This we see very clearly also by the payment, benediction, and consecration of the tithes, but the acceptance of power itself and by the government even of things. For with truth as our witness, it belongs to spiritual power to establish the terrestrial power and to pass judgement if it has not been good. Thus is accomplished the prophecy of Jeremias concerning the Church and the ecclesiastical power: ‘Behold to-day I have placed you over nations, and over kingdoms‘ and the rest. Therefore, if the terrestrial power err, it will be judged by the spiritual power; but if a minor spiritual power err, it will be judged by a superior spiritual power; but if the highest power of all err, it can be judged only by God, and not by man, according to the testimony of the Apostle: ‘The spiritual man judgeth of all things and he himself is judged by no man‘ [1 Cor 2:15]. This authority, however, (though it has been given to man and is exercised by man), is not human but rather divine, granted to Peter by a divine word and reaffirmed to him (Peter) and his successors by the One Whom Peter confessed, the Lord saying to Peter himself, ‘Whatsoever you shall bind on earth, shall be bound also in Heaven‘ etc., [Mt 16:19]. Therefore whoever resists this power thus ordained by God, resists the ordinance of God [Rom 13:2], unless he invent like Manicheus two beginnings, which is false and judged by us heretical, since according to the testimony of Moses, it is not in the beginnings but in the beginning that God created heaven and earth [Gen 1:1]. Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
Seems like you're in a bit of a tight spot with your rebellion against the current pope, Pope Francis.
Your whole posting history proves you don't accept the current pope.
Playground rules. Playground rules.
From the guy who removes the names of the person to whom he's posting.
And the proof of that is right here on this thread in posts 16, 19, 21, and 24.
Why do you demand others do what you refuse to do yourself? Rules for thee but not for me.
How hypocritical!!!!
Making Reparation For the Offenses Against the Sacred Heart of Jesus That Have Grown Progressively Worse Since Vatican II
Wow! The ex-Catholic net-mammy knows how to post a freeper’s comments!
Aren’t you the cat’s meow!
—> According to your Post #3, you’re one of those “countless FRomans” you speak of.
Thanks for finally recognizing me.
Unlike those who demand I answer their questions.
When I refuse to address those questions, they then lie about my positions.
Reminds me this:
2 And Pilate asked him: Art thou the king of the Jews? But he answering, saith to him: Thou sayest it. 3 And the chief priests accused him in many things. 4 And Pilate again asked him, saying: Answerest thou nothing? behold in how many things they accuse thee. 5 But Jesus still answered nothing; so that Pilate wondered. Mark 15.
You guys are no different.
OMCET…..you’re not paying attention.
Thanks for admitting that to all your FRot buddies who have joined this thread to attack the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
Why should I pay attention to those who attack the Sacred Heart of Jesus?
OMCET once again contradicts himself.
—> Thanks for admitting that to all your FRot buddies who have joined this thread to attack the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
You should have bade it a caucus thread so only we Catholics could have posted.
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