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Jerry Falwell Jr. accuses Liberty University leaders of financial, sexual misconduct in lawsuit
Christian Post ^ | September 25, 2023 | Leonardo Blair

Posted on 09/26/2023 12:02:03 AM PDT by Morgana

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Did the Pot just call the Kettle black here?
1 posted on 09/26/2023 12:02:03 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

The lives and careers of Liberty University’s leadership (including Falwell, Jr.) sound like it could provide the material for a Netflix series: “Preacher Kids Gone Wild.” And it demonstrates one of the reasons why the Roman Catholic Church (wisely or not) originally went for priestly celibacy: too many offspring who are entitled and undisciplined when the clergy are married.


2 posted on 09/26/2023 3:20:46 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham; M Kehoe

“And it demonstrates one of the reasons why the Roman Catholic Church (wisely or not) originally went for priestly celibacy: too many offspring who are entitled and undisciplined when the clergy are married.”

Sexual misconduct will always manifest itself one way or the other, as it has in the celibate priesthood in the Catholic church having a history of homosexual relationships rather than heterosexual ones. Limit heterosexual and you will get homosexual behavior. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


3 posted on 09/26/2023 3:37:37 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump knows where all the bodies lie - just sayin.....)
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To: Morgana

Little community churches are struggling to pay the electric bill, while some of the financial schemes of these big churches want to make me throw up.


4 posted on 09/26/2023 4:44:59 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Morgana

The authorities ought to come clean on the opioid problem in Lynchburg as well, and the links to Liberty U.


5 posted on 09/26/2023 4:46:51 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: Rockingham

How about we let God’s word tell us what a good pastor / priest is?

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;

Mandating celibacy only created a bigger problem, it did not solve a problem.

It never improves anything when we add to God’s word our own desires or intentions, no matter how noble we may think it is.


6 posted on 09/26/2023 4:51:30 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: flaglady47
You have a point, and perhaps stronger than you realize: for decades, a "gay mafia" in the US Catholic Church deliberately recruited gays and screened out traditional, resolutely straight and celibate young men from the priesthood. And they promoted their mostly leftist allies to key posts in the Church hierarchy.

Yet, with a general decay of standards, there were also more than a few episodes of heterosexual priests who strayed. I believe that some were even deliberately protected by the "gay mafia" as way to divert attention from their broad and systemic misconduct.

Although little known, there are validly married Catholic priests in the US and worldwide in the several Eastern Rite Catholic Churches that acknowledge the Pope's authority. The most sensible resolution for the issue to me seems to be to keep priestly celibacy in general but establish a separate Roman Catholic ordinate of married priests under rules similar to those applied by the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches.

7 posted on 09/26/2023 5:46:06 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Skwor
The Roman Catholic view of the issue is not theological but practical and developed in the early years of Christianity in the West. In that era, it took centuries of strenuous effort to Christianize the Romans and the peoples they ruled or had contact with.

As part of this evangelization there was a strategy to establish Christianity and its priests as different from the local pagan priests and shamans. Distinct and austere dress and celibacy were part of that. Since torture and martyrdom were often also involved, requiring celibacy tended to weed out those unwillingness for the full sacrifice of self.

8 posted on 09/26/2023 5:59:12 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

As I said

“It never improves anything when we add to God’s word our own desires or intentions, no matter how noble we may think it is.”

You are basically trying to justify how “man” knows better than God as to what constitutes the requirements for God’s priesthood.

Do you honestly believed God overlooked the challenges of early evangelism and needed man to correct the requirements He Himself created?

Where does God say “require celibacy” to ensure willingness to serve? I would think the Creator of everything might have mentioned such an extreme requirement if it was actually so.


9 posted on 09/26/2023 6:14:36 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: Skwor; Rockingham

Matt 19:10-12 - Jesus lays the foundation for the Catholic Church call to priestly celibacy. Verse 10 ends with “... there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.”
The Catholic priest is acting as Jesus Christ (”Alter Christus” or “in Persona Christi”) in the administration of the sacraments; he is no longer merely a man. Jesus was not married, so the Church, by extension, recommends priests not be married.
Thousands of years of prayer and fasting have gone into the thinking and decisions of the Church. The path is not easy, though it is simple.
Peace.


10 posted on 09/26/2023 7:03:28 AM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Montana_Sam

You have wildly mis-read that verse and read it out of context from the chapter itself.

Math 19 was our Lord’s response to the Pharisees when they tried to test him about marriage and divorce. Our lord’s reply was specific to how sanctified and committed a marriage should be, one man, one women, no divorce. His reference to being a eunuch was specific to those who can not treat marriage as such and therefore accept celibacy, it was Him showing how serious a marriage must be approached. Basically if you cannot treat marriage that seriously, remain celibate. No where does he align this to being in the priesthood.

Classic example of taking one verse and applying eisegesis. It does not matter what you want the verse to say, one must let God’s word interpret God’s word.

The verse I quoted was specific to the subject of priests and the chapter itself supports that directly. What is known as exegesis, one should not push their own presuppositions into God’s word.

The verse you refer to does not support your opinion.


11 posted on 09/26/2023 7:16:06 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: Montana_Sam

Oh and I must add, in your thousands of years of “mans” fasting and prayer interpretation you are not forced to explain how God was wrong when he said a priest should be a man of one wife. You have set up a contradiction against God’s word.

Jesus addressed this as well when he talked to the Pharisees who with at least centuries of tradition allowed giving donations to the temple above caring for one’s parents

Math 15:3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ a and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ b 5But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:


12 posted on 09/26/2023 7:21:59 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: Morgana

Cuck klown with suppressed homo tendencies

What sort of man enjoys watching his wife get railed by a younger “stamina” man?


13 posted on 09/26/2023 7:28:39 AM PDT by wardaddy (Why so many nevertrumpers with early sign ups and no posting history till now? Zot them PTB)
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To: Skwor
The Bible neither requires nor forbids priestly celibacy and it was not the rule in the early Church nor is it required for Eastern Rite Catholic priests. Celibacy was adopted later in the Church in the west for the sake of evangelizing and converting the Romans and other pagan peoples.

A few years ago, I read of a young priest in Marseilles whose parish church was in an area that had many Muslims. To the astonishment of local Muslims, unlike his predecessor, he went about in a full cassock and addressed Muslims in a friendly manner in perfect Arabic.

The priests got to know the local imams and became friendly with them, often being asked about Catholicism and its defining aspects like the Mass, the sacraments, and the reason for Roman Catholic practices like priests being celibate. Gradually, relations between the Muslims and local Catholics improved. Lapsed Catholics began to return to church.

Was Muslim interest in priestly celibacy part of what opened the door to conversation? So it seemed.

14 posted on 09/26/2023 7:53:16 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Montana_Sam

True, except that Eastern Rite Catholic priests can be and often are married. There is a theological basis for priestly celibacy but it is not required.


15 posted on 09/26/2023 7:55:50 AM PDT by Rockingham
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Can you stick to the point you made, which was the defense of the RC church’s current requirement on priestly celibacy.

I am aware of what you wrote, but in this conversation it only serves as a diversion from the original point. The point is, in my opinion, the Bible clearly teaches priests can have a wife and it does not support any requirement to the contrary.

What you just wrote appears as an attempt to obscure and change what you originally were defending in the conversation.


16 posted on 09/26/2023 8:27:46 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: Rockingham

Sorry, meant to address my last post to Montana_Sam


17 posted on 09/26/2023 8:29:17 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: Skwor

Really? You want to censor my comments so that I am required to agree with you? Obviously, I (and the Roman Catholic Church) simply do not agree with your claim that the Bible forbids priestly celibacy.


18 posted on 09/26/2023 11:22:13 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Skwor

You are free to your own opinion. As I am mine. Peace.


19 posted on 09/26/2023 5:09:39 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Rockingham

Guess you missed my post above, I misread your post and was thinking I was responding to someone else, said Sorry.


20 posted on 09/27/2023 4:52:03 AM PDT by Skwor
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