[Catholic Caucus] Archbishop Viganò Blasts “Total Self-Referentiality of the ‘Conciliar Church'” in Response to Papal Homily

Catholic Family News ^ | October 28, 2022 | Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò

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[married21]

Has Vigano moved anyone or persuaded anyone who was not already in agreement with him? I applaud him for his gadfly efforts but despair that he is making any difference.

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[married21]

Sounds self-referential…

[nanetteclaret]

Abp. Vigano is standing up for the Truth, which is Jesus Christ, King of the Universe. It doesn’t matter who agrees with him. God knows he is on His side.

[nanetteclaret]

And Judas said the woman’s ointment should have been sold and given to the poor, instead of anointing Jesus’ feet. (John 12:3-5). Same attitude: ridiculing homage to God.

[married21]

Well, personally, I would be heartened if he were gaining traction. If Gods will is that Vigano goes unheeded, I guess I have to roll with it, but I’m not saintly enough to do that without some grumbling misgivings.

[MurphsLaw]

So this "conciliar" Church seems like a bad thing then.
Right? Sounds bad...

So let me ask you...
should I recommend to anyone looking to convert to this "conciliar" Church to run then?
Run away as fast as they can? Or to ignore it- and embrace the badness?

Dilemma.

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Already asked and answered, Murph. eens.

And it would only present a “dilemma” to poorly catechized “catholics” who reject Catholic dogma, like yourself.

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His letters have been published by LifeSite News, Catholic Family News, the Remnant Newspaper and others here in in the U.S. alone. I have no idea of what foreign publications are publishing them.

So I have no despair. Besides, despair is a sin; hope is a virtue.

[married21]

Indeed. Gotta have hope.

[MurphsLaw]

So for the record then...
You are OK with,
And would encourage conversion of non-Catholics to this "Conciliar Church"???

If yes... can you say yes?

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Already answered.

Stop playing games and learn your own religion for a change.

[NorthMountain]

Has Vigano moved anyone or persuaded anyone who was not already in agreement with him?

Probably. But preaching the Gospel is as likely to get one crucified as anything else ...

[MurphsLaw]

Besides, despair is a sin;
hope is a virtue.

So if "hope" IS a virtue...

Then isn’t hoping for all souls to be saved...
as the Catechism (and Scripture) desire for us,
IS THAT not then- ALSO - a virtuous act, in and of itself???

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Just to refresh your very short memory:

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Do you hope Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Mao Tse Tung’s souls are saved , knowing Jesus Christ said many would go to Hell?

How about Kermit Gosling?

I leave those matter’s in God’s hands, Murph.

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Here's a better answer:

From Jesus Christ and the Bible, I know that all souls do not go the Heaven. Only some.

So for me to hope otherwise would not be possible, without committing a sin.

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From the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X:

8 Q. How are we certain that the Christian Doctrine which we receive from the Holy Catholic Church is really true?
A. We are certain that the doctrine which we receive from the Holy Catholic Church is true, because Jesus Christ, the divine Author of this doctrine, committed it through His Apostles to the Church, which He founded and made the infallible teacher of all men, promising her His divine assistance until the end of time.

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18 Q. If Jesus Christ died for the salvation of all men, why are not all men saved?
A. Jesus Christ died for all, but not all are saved, because not all will acknowledge Him; all do not observe His Law; all do not avail themselves of the means of salvation He has left us.