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Posted on 03/06/2022 11:16:06 AM PST by CharlesOConnell
I think your posts are very clear that you teach a works-based, syncretic-Jewish-mystery-religion.
I feel pretty confident your lack of biblical training makes it pretty impossible for you to be aware of the theological implications of your posts.
And of course Scripture is understood by the saved.
I’ve known many other cultists IRL and you guys always beat the same drum set, regardless of sect.
The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word ‘remember,’ showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?
—D.L. MOODY, Weighed and Wanting, page 47.
I honestly believe that this commandment [the fourth, or Sabbath commandment] is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it.
When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. ‘The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.’ It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was-in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.
—Id., page 46.
This Fourth is not a commandment for one place, or one time, but for all places and times.
—D.L. Moody, at San Francisco, Jan. 1st, 1881.
DL is of course talking about the false 1st day Sunday Sabbath. I never knew the first day Sunday Sabbath was kept in Eden and written on the tables of stone at Sinai. But, maybe it was in your perfect world? Kenneth Wuest’s perfect world? MHGinTN’s perfect world?
Your guy, Wuest, taught at the MBI. DL Moody says “The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since.” Yet, he can’t come up with the right day, even the day that Jesus said to REMEMBER, that He wrote down with his own finger in stone, that He and the apostles are on record as themselves keeping?
“How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?”
—D.L. MOODY, Weighed and Wanting, page 47.
Indeed, Mr. Moody, indeed.
(unless one believes in OSAS then, NONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS ARE BINDING). Indeed.
I think your posts are very clear that you teach a works-based, syncretic-Jewish-mystery-religion.
Nope. I am saved by faith, ALONE. Do I then continue in sin? God forbid. I abide in His love and obey Him, knowing full well that NOT obeying Him is SIN (lawlessness). I also know that unrepentant sinners, even those who claim to follow Christ, will not be in heaven. Because following Christ (abiding in His love) means keeping His commandments.
Saying you love Christ, but you don’t keep His commandments, makes one a liar.
1 John 2: 3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:…
Unrepentant liars will not be in heaven.
Revelation 22:14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
But YOU say none of that matters, because OSAS means all you have to do is believe. Nothing else is required. No abiding, no commandments, no obedience (unless you want to). right?
So, does God require you to “do” anything AFTER grace? Are you held accountable for your life AFTER grace? You say, NO! Everyone gets a free pass.
I feel pretty confident your lack of biblical training makes it pretty impossible for you to be aware of the theological implications of your posts.
And of course Scripture is understood by the saved.
I wonder how many of these guys were biblically trained and thought they understood scripture (maybe they even attended the Moody Bible Institute)?
Matthew 7:
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
...Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH them
...And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and DOETH THEM NOT
I think I want to be a doer of God’s word.
(By the way, you would have made a great Catholic priest. Only they could understand the bible, maybe from their biblical training at the Pontifical Gregorian University, and the common people just need to accept that. You would have fit right in.) But, good thing my wife has a 4 year seminary degree from a cultist university. Maybe it gives my statements a little bit more cred?
You sure bloviate on and on and on…
You may *claim* you are saved by faith, but that is false and obviously so, once anyone looks inside the bag of syncretic chow mein you try to dish out here.
But again, until you come to saving faith in Him alone, you’re just saying your words and I just release you back into God’s time.
Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. The Word of God is more powerful than any two edged sword, able to separate soul and spirit.
When a person is born again, born from above, GOD separates their spirit away from their soul, away from the flesh. He does this separating because He via the Holy Spirit will be abiding in the cleansed, born again spirit, bringing the righteousness of Christ into the new born spirit of the Believer as a new member of the Body of Christ.
The flesh is the physical body AND the behavior mechanism known as the soul of the man. When the person is saved in the now, they still have a body that is alive and that body serves the lusts of the flesh. So long as the born again has that inhereted from Adam body the flesh will remain active.
BUT God abiding in the spirit imparting His eternal life works on the mind of the soul,l as in let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus. And the exchange thereafter is a sanctification process which is designed to gradually overcome the world the flesh and the devil.
There is coming soon a moment when GOD will end the influence of the sin-laden flesh and give every member of the Body of Christ a new body and a new behavior mechanism! We call it the Rapture and even with unrepentant sin in the flesh the born agains who have not died will be transformed int he twinkling of an eye ... they will NOT die but will be changed!
When a member of the Body of Christ Believers dies in the natural their spirit which has The Holy Spirit abiding therein is instantly drawn to the Presence of God's Throne Room, Heaven. According to what was shown to Paul, these born again spirits will God bring with Jesus as He comes to invoke the snatching away of the glorified members of the Body of Christ who have been given a new body and behavior mechanism to receive the born again spirit.
You continue to do satan's work of spewing doubt, contradicting the Word of God and you will get to see US disappear into a higher dimensional realm. Fall on your knees at that moment and ask God to forgive you for serving the antiChrist spirit, and ask Him to save you right then and there. Then you can try to survive long enough to be martyred by the ruling evil spirit you have been serving ... I would hope, been serving ignorantly.
You may *claim* you are saved by faith, but that is false and obviously so, once anyone looks inside the bag of syncretic chow mein you try to dish out here.
One thing that is true (that chow mein mumbo jumbo stuff is false) is that you teach, AND practice lawlessness in your false OSAS doctrine.
The saints who will be in heaven are CLEARLY commandment keepers (doers). You make God’s law of no effect by your silly doctrine. Do you *claim* to be one of the saints that will inherit God’s kingdom?
Nahhh…
[releasing back to the wild]
...The following is going to infuriate you, due to the spirit that is within the mind of your soul.
Not
...Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
I agree
But, nothing you say after makes any sense. You are STILL trying to justify LAWLESSNESS. You are STILL saying that no amount of unrepentant sin will keep you out of heaven, because it’s your flesh that’s doing the sinning and the Spirit is happy to just look on and let it happen and there is NO PENALTY. And, as Paul very clearly say, God’s grace only covers PAST unrepentant sin, not current or future. If your poster boy, Ravi, died in UNREPENTANT sin, he’s in big, big, trouble. Will Ravi say... “But Lord, OSAS, right?”
...When the person is saved in the now, they still have a body that is alive and that body serves the lusts of the flesh. So long as the born again has that inherited from Adam body the flesh will remain active.
Sounds like you don’t feel the need to ask the Holy Spirit for help in conquering sin. Why would you? Nothing is going to keep you out of heaven anyway. Yeah, Ravi’s body was alive and he went for it. And he gets a free pass to rape and commit adultery because the Holy Spirit, inherent in our bodies after grace, can’t sin? Boys will be boys? Nothing could be further from the truth.
Hebrews 10:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Anyone believing and doing what you just said about flesh Spirit, sin, and separation, is for sure to them a salvation death sentence.
... When a member of the Body of Christ Believers dies in the natural their spirit which has The Holy Spirit abiding therein is instantly drawn to the Presence of God’s Throne Room, Heaven. According to what was shown to Paul, these born again spirits will God bring with Jesus as He comes to invoke the snatching away of the glorified members of the Body of Christ who have been given a new body and behavior mechanism to receive the born again spirit.
I think that one of your problems is that you don’t know what happens when you die, or what the soul is. Yep.
...You continue to do satan’s work of spewing doubt, contradicting the Word of God
Quite the opposite, I assure you.
...Nahhh…
You don’t *claim* to be one of the saints that will inherit God’s kingdom?
You continue to do satan’s work of spewing doubt, contradicting the Word of God and you will get to see US disappear into a higher dimensional realm. Fall on your knees at that moment and ask God to forgive you for serving the antiChrist spirit, and ask Him to save you right then and there. Then you can try to survive long enough to be martyred by the ruling evil spirit you have been serving ... I would hope, been serving ignorantly.
Being in the false doctrine of OSAS/PTR will guarantee a loss of salvation. So, don’t be so smug about who’s going to be on their knees looking up at whom.
Here’s the group I plan to be in (saints of God)...
Revelation 14:1212Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Your obsession with/over Ravi is a symptom of the sickness in your soul. And in such a sick state, you would presume to teach us from the SDA cult handbook? If it were not such a spiritual tragedy you would be funny.
I know exactly what “to fulfill all righteousness” means, and I will tell you if you will hear it with the mind of a Berean truth-seeker, not that of a Thessalonikan.
LOL, apparently you do not believe that the God separates soul and spirit when a person is born from above. Sad that but not unexpected from a cultist such as seventh day adventists.
HINT: the Apostle Paul wrote that in his flesh no good thing dwelt. If anyone you can name had the Spirit of The Living God in his spirit it would be Paul. So if the Holy Spirit is IN Paul’s spirit the spirit must no longer be in the soul of the flesh such that Paul says clearly that in his flesh dwells nop good thing.
http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-07.htm
Read to your heart’s content.
(answered...3. Unity of body, soul, and spirit. What is the relationship between body, soul, and spirit? What is the influence of this relationship on the unity of man?)
etc...
Naahhh…
I claim your religion in Falseworld is contradictory to scripture in many areas, but most importantly the gospel.
[release]
do you also speak in tongues?
(I almost blew snot all over my keyboard when I laughed)
It is clear that you are standing with these uninspired, fallible translations, of which some interpret that Jesus water-baptized no humans at all, not even one.
So your position (in the debating sense) is argumentative with the clear sense which my translation puts on the word "but" used by several other translations, including the KJV/AV (which is also not inspired, and though when properly interpreted is very accurate overall).
Did Jesus, now publicly identified as the Messiah sent by God as His erson Incarnated, not have the authority to baptize at least one of them, if not the whole twelve? Does the immediate or wider context of Scripture absolutely deny this, leaving no possibility whatsoever to the human intellect as you seem to insist? No, it does not.
Elsie, the process of swearing in of a recruited student by a delegated veteran of that process has to start somewhere, sometime.
When and where did that happen? Who initiated it and what agreement or transfer of authority was involved and publicly demonstrated that the ritual act figuratively sealed, as would a handshake here in America?
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