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German Cardinal and Reformist ally of Pope Francis says Catholic priests should be allowed to marry: 'It would be better for their life'
Christian Post ^ | 02/09/2022 | Michael Gryboski

Posted on 02/09/2022 7:35:44 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

If an Orthodox priest divorces, can they get married again? I know they have to be married before they become priests.

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21 posted on 02/09/2022 9:04:52 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

RE: I know they have to be married before they become priests.

Is this so? My understanding is that marriage is a FREE CHOICE for Orthodox priests, not a requirement. You are ALLOWED to marry but you are NOT REQUIRED to marry.

While there are certainly important similarities between the theologies of world’s largest and second-largest Christian Churches—for example, our understanding of the nature of Communion—there are also crucial differences that still impede reunification more than a thousand years after the tragedy of the Great Schism.

Moreover, it is a misnomer to say that Orthodox priests can marry. They can be married, and indeed, most Orthodox priests are. But a priest can’t marry while a priest. If he wishes to have a family life, he must get hitched before he is ordained to the deaconate, the penultimate step before becoming a priest.

I bring this up because of the ongoing debate within Catholic circles—pushed energetically by the Church’s internal and external critics—about whether to revoke the rule requiring priest celibacy. The regulation was formally established at the Council of Trent in 1563 after centuries of controversy over the issue of priests and marriage. Prior to Trent, the Catholic Church took the same approach to the question of priestly marriage as the Orthodox Church did (and does today). If the priestly celibacy were no longer required, the Catholic Church would likely return to its former practice.


22 posted on 02/09/2022 9:11:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that marriage was a requirement. I just meant that they couldn’t marry after ordination. But I don’t know what happens if a priest gets divorced. Can a divorced priest marry again? The bishops are always unmarried and usually come from the celibate religious orders to my understanding.

As far as the debate about the discipline of celibacy, from my observation liberal Catholics invariably want the discipline lifted. Try to find one pro-abortion, gay marriage and priestess type Catholic but who also thinks the discipline of celibacy is valuable and should be preserved.

Freegards


23 posted on 02/09/2022 9:27:49 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: SeekAndFind

That is probably true!


24 posted on 02/09/2022 9:41:47 AM PST by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: Campion; Sphynx
Actually, it was about property.

From the Second Lateran Council, 1123:
CANON 16
It is beyond doubt that ecclesiastical honors are bestowed not in consideration of blood relationship but of merit, and the Church of God does not look for any successor with hereditary rights, but demands for its guidance and for the administration of its offices upright, wise, and religious persons. Wherefore, in virtue of our Apostolic authority we forbid that anyone appropriate or presume to demand on the plea of hereditary right churches, prebends, deaneries, chaplaincies, or any ecclesiastical offices. If anyone, prompted by dishonesty or animated by ambition, dare attempt this, he shall be duly punished and his demands disregarded.
That and public relations:
CANON 6
We also decree that those who in the subdiaconate and higher orders have contracted marriage or have concubines, be deprived of their office and ecclesiastical benefice. For since they should be and be called the temple of God, the vessel of the Lord, the abode of the Holy Spirit, it is unbecoming that they indulge in marriage and in impurities.

25 posted on 02/09/2022 10:19:18 AM PST by nicollo
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To: Ransomed; Ann Archy; SeekAndFind

Orthodox and Eastern rite married men can be ordained, as can some in the Latin rite.

However, once ordained, they are not permitted to marry. If a unmarried man is ordained, or if an ordained man becomes a widower or divorced (even with annulment), he is not permitted to remarry.

So the headline was wrong, but it doesn’t seem, from the article, that they are considering allowing priests to marry. They seem to be considering allowed more married men to become priests.


26 posted on 02/09/2022 5:04:40 PM PST by Chicory
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I don't see that canon 16 has any bearing on celibacy one way or the other.

Take a look at the Wikipedia article on the history of clerical celibacy. The requirement for clerics to abstain from serial realtions goes back long before Lateran II, to the early 4th Century council of Elvira in Spain.

27 posted on 02/09/2022 9:06:45 PM PST by Campion (NO Wag-the-Dog WARS for Big Guy Brandon's 10%)
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To: SeekAndFind
The regulation was formally established at the Council of Trent in 1563 after centuries of controversy over the issue of priests and marriage.

More than a thousand years earlier than that.

28 posted on 02/09/2022 9:08:53 PM PST by Campion (NO Wag-the-Dog WARS for Big Guy Brandon's 10%)
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Whatever the impact of the Council of Elvira, its ban on clerical marriage didn’t translate into fuller practice across the church. Where celibacy did take hold was in monasticism, which makes sense when considering property.

Innocent III was consolidating power across Europe, and seizing ecclesiastic property was core to that program. To do it, he had to ban clerical marriage. The Protestant Reformation, especially in Bavaria and Germany, spread as much by the words and works of church reformers as by the opportunity for local princes to seize church land and legal claims, especially monasteries.

As for my views on clerical celibacy, I think it’s a beautiful thing — insofar as it doesn’t lead to or protect clerical homosexuality and pederasty, which was imbed in the diocese where I grew up.


29 posted on 02/10/2022 7:22:47 AM PST by nicollo
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