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[Catholic Caucus] Don’t Avoid The SSPX. Avoid The VC II Church.
Mundabor's Blog ^ | November 9, 2021 | Mundabor

Posted on 11/10/2021 4:40:00 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: Captain Walker
Yeah, yeah, Captain.

And the official position of the Church is that some divorced and remarried Catholics, without benefit of annulment, are free to receive Holy Communion.

Pope’s letter to Argentine bishops on ‘Amoris Laetitia’ part of official record

P.S. I don't see you attacking the orthodox cancelled priests because they have been stripped of their faculties by francisbishops.

42 posted on 11/11/2021 12:21:06 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: Captain Walker
I don't see anything here that would indicate that the Pope has said attending SSPX Masses is okay.

Try taking off your blinders.


43 posted on 11/11/2021 12:23:32 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

But “Amoris Laetitia” isn’t part of the Magisterium; why would you refer to this?


44 posted on 11/11/2021 12:27:06 PM PST by Captain Walker ("The side that has Truth gets Humor as a bonus.")
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To: ebb tide
Which SSPX? The standard SSPX or the traditional SSPX?

(Maybe he meant the SSPV.)

We have no reason to suspect that once you reject the authority of Rome, you won't be splintering off into different sects. Even the SSPX is learning this.

45 posted on 11/11/2021 12:29:15 PM PST by Captain Walker ("The side that has Truth gets Humor as a bonus.")
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To: Captain Walker
You are wrong. Take those blinders off.

Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, president of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, told Catholic News Service Dec. 5, “The fact that the pope requested that his letter and the interpretations of the Buenos Aires bishops be published in the AAS means that His Holiness has given these documents a particular qualification that elevates them to the level of being official teachings of the church.

“While the content of the pope’s letter itself does not contain teachings on faith and morals, it does point toward the interpretations of the Argentine bishops and confirms them as authentically reflecting his own mind,” the cardinal said. “Thus together the two documents became the Holy Father’s authentic magisterium for the whole church.”

46 posted on 11/11/2021 12:37:16 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: Captain Walker
We have no reason to suspect that once you reject the authority of Rome, you won't be splintering off into different sects.

Like those heretic German bishops who are in your precious "full communion" with Rome?

47 posted on 11/11/2021 12:41:33 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: Captain Walker
Which SSPX? The standard SSPX or the traditional SSPX?

(Maybe he meant the SSPV.)

Now you're being childish. Not atypical for you.

48 posted on 11/11/2021 12:48:37 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide
Bishop Barron ADDS to the Church... you only want to detract from it.

Word on Fire Catholic Ministries is a nonprofit global media apostolate that supports the work of Bishop Robert Barron and reaches millions of people to draw them into— or back to— the Catholic faith.

Word on Fire is evangelical; it proclaims Jesus Christ as the source of conversion and new life. Word on Fire is Catholic; it utilizes the tremendous resources of the Roman Catholic tradition—art, architecture, poetry, philosophy, theology, and the lives of the saints— in order to explain and interpret the event of Jesus Christ.

Word on Fire Catholic Ministries exists to draw people into the body of Christ, which is the Church, and thereby give them access to all the gifts that Jesus wants his people to enjoy. To be most effective in this mission, Word on Fire places an emphasis and urgency on the use of contemporary forms of media and innovative communication technologies.

49 posted on 11/11/2021 1:46:16 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("And baptism... , which this prefigured... , Now Saves you")
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To: MurphsLaw

Barron is an outright heretic who denies the dogma of “extra ecclesiam nulla salus” and supports the homosexualist, James Martin, S.J.

There are plenty of heretics out there running “non-profit” website scams. You have just happened to hitch your wagon to Barron’s. Ride with him to that empty Hell of his at your own peril. He hates the traditional faith and the Catholics who hold it fast, as you also apparently do.


50 posted on 11/11/2021 2:57:35 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw
The Troubling Kinship of Bishop Barron and Father Martin

You should be ashamed of pimping such a heretic.

51 posted on 11/11/2021 3:02:37 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw
You Know You’re a Jesuit When…

1. You hear the word “visitation,” and you don’t think Mary and Elizabeth. You think Provincial.

52 posted on 11/11/2021 3:20:37 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw

53 posted on 11/11/2021 4:01:48 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw

Boobie Barron is francisbishop, consecrated in 2015.

One of his co-consecrators was franciscardinal, Blase Cupich.

The heretics promote their own kind. They like to keep it in the “francis-family”.


54 posted on 11/11/2021 4:13:17 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw

How much does Barron pay you to parrot and pimp his website?


55 posted on 11/11/2021 5:43:45 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw

Robert Barron was ordained a priest in Chicago in 1986.

Guess who was bishop of Chicago in 1986?

Joseph Cardinal Bernadin, another infamous heretic.

Bernadin, Cupich, ... Barron has a long line of sponsors.


56 posted on 11/11/2021 5:50:59 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw

Bishop Barron
57 posted on 11/11/2021 6:32:41 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide
Four cardinals brought questions about Amoris Laetitia to the Pope that he has never addressed.

It's certainly his right not to address these questions, but until he does so, that document carries absolutely zero weight in the teaching authority of the Church.

The Pope can't change that.

58 posted on 11/12/2021 5:41:09 AM PST by Captain Walker ("The side that has Truth gets Humor as a bonus.")
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To: Captain Walker
The Pope can't change that.

This pope does anything he damn well pleases.

T]he “private” letter of Pope Francis to the Argentine bishops was published in the October 2016 edition of Acta Apostolicae Sedis, after they had issued directives for the application of chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia (the chapter with the famous footnotes on giving communion to the divorced and remarried). Directives which, as has been noted and emphasized here, are anything but clear.

The publication of this letter in the Acta is accompanied by a brief note from the Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, together with an official rescript from a papal audience in June 2017, announcing that the Pope himself wanted the two documents — the guidelines and the letter — published on the website of Acta Apostolicae Sedis.

The announcement can only serve to further fuel the confusion and uncertainty surrounding the controversial apostolic exhortation as well as the Pope’s way of doing things, which yet again appears to be a far cry from the clarity and straightforwardness that many of the faithful would expect [from the Holy Father]. He has given no response to the dubia Cardinals, no response to the letters, petitions and other initiatives written by scholars, theologians, and ordinary faithful people who have been confused by the deliberate ambiguity of the document. Yet, at the same time, he has given a veneer of officiality to one letter sent to one member of one bishops’ conference.

To what end? To obligate all to give religiosum obsequium [religious assent] to a magisterium expressed in oblique and ambiguous forms, or to respond without committing himself in a direct response which would express the mind of the Pope in an unequivocal manner to the doubtful and perplexed? One is given the feeling that the only thing this does is cause the simple believer annoyance with the Pope’s comportment, which may be defined as a “pretext” in the worst sense of that term.

59 posted on 11/12/2021 7:37:33 AM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw
A thought, too, and a prayer, for the SSPX who are naturally wondering if they have enough clergy and sufficient resources to meet contingencies which are already arising in some regions. What a good thing they have retained their canonical freedom, so that the Bergoglians won't be able to get their greedy hands on money or property! But will the Society not soon have to face up to the question of new episcopal Consecrations? Is that pencilled in for the start of the next pontificate? May God give them prudence and courage. 


How can I get an invitation?

Fr. John Hunwicke

Fr. Hunwicke: "How can I get an invitation?"

60 posted on 11/12/2021 2:16:38 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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