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ANALYSIS: Pope restricts ‘divisive’ Traditional Latin Mass, says 52-yr-old Novus Ordo is ‘unique expression’ of Church’s liturgy
LifeSite News ^ | July 16, 2021 | Michael Haynes

Posted on 07/16/2021 11:53:25 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide

At least he’s not ordering banjoes in the guitar Mass. (sarc)


21 posted on 07/16/2021 1:05:20 PM PDT by calico_thompson (Vanity sarcasm)
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To: poinq; Al Hitan; DuncanWaring; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; kalee; markomalley; ...
Here's what an FSSP priest has posted today to his parishioners:

Letter to the parish from Fr. "John Doe":

Communique to the Faithful of XXXX on the Motu Proprio

Dearly Beloved in Christ,

By now many of you have read the Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes of Pope Francis. I'm sure your astonishment and incomprehension at this initiative is as thorough as mine. I've little to tell you at this point except the following:

1. We in the FSSP will need time to consider the implications of what was written. This will mean consulting Cardinals, bishops, theologians, canon lawyers, etc.

2. My own reading so far has pointed me to some strange things. For example – and this was noticed by a canon lawyer in an article for Rorate Coeli – “In considering Article 3, it is worthwhile to note that the provisions of this article refer to the “Missal antecedent to the reform of 1970.” Strictly understood, the Missal antecedent to the reform of 1970 is the editio typica of 1965 with the alterations of Tres abhinc annos of 4 May 1967. This is not the 1962 Missal. To this author's knowledge, the 1965 missal is used hardly, if ever.” If my reading is correct, and this author's, then the Motu Proprio has no bearing on the liturgy at OLMC, as we do not use the 1965 Missal.

3. We will simply have to wait to see what happens here. How will this Motu Proprio be enforced? I don't know. What will the Archdiocese do? I don't know.

4. What I do know is that I rejoice every day that I get to say the old Mass. I will try to say it as if it were the last Mass I'll ever say. But I've been trying to do that all my priesthood. And in the meantime, your priests here will strive to be utterly faithful to the constitutions of the FSSP which were approved by the Holy See. And these mean fidelity to the liturgical books of 1962.

5. I will not be able to meet with you individually or respond to many phone calls on this right now. Keep in mind this is new for me; I have no experience of a situation like this.

6. And like St. Padre Pio once said, “Pray, hope and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer.”

Your Servant,
The Rev. "John Doe" FSSP

(I did not reveal his real name, nor parish church for fear of Bergoglio's dictator bishops' wrath may reign down upon him)

22 posted on 07/16/2021 1:06:33 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: fatboy

Is Bergoglio a true Pope?


23 posted on 07/16/2021 1:08:15 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

IIRC, he refused to receive a visiting pair of FSSP priests when he was bishop of Buenos Aires and called up and yelled at one of his priests who allowed the pair to use his church to celebrate Mass.


24 posted on 07/16/2021 1:21:04 PM PDT by Catholic and Conservative
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To: calico_thompson
At least he’s not ordering banjoes in the guitar Mass. (sarc),

Nor pachamama's or beachballs, yet:


25 posted on 07/16/2021 1:22:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Catholic and Conservative

This may be what I was recalling:

While it is correct to give Francis some time to act, please do not fool yourselves.

I am Argentine, I live in Buenos Aires since I was born. I am 40 years old, father to four kids. I helped and hosted priests from the FSSP and the Institute of the Good Sheperd when they visited Buenos Aires. None of them was granted a single minute with Bergolgio. We visited a dozen churchs in the City, begging the priest in charge to allow the visitors to say the Mass. By direct order of Benedict, it was impossible. Only one priest allowed a Mass, and immediatley received a phone call from Bergoglio in person, who insulted in the most vulgar terms. I know this because that poor priest is a dear friend of mine.

Bergolio is a vulgar man, badly mannered, who shows a falsa attitude of dialogue and humility, but inside (when the doors are shut) he is tiranic and violent with everyone daring to secondguess him.

Bergoglio publicly defended Bishop Maccarone, after it was revealed that he had contranatura realtionships with a taxi driver (a video was available). Another extraordinary priest of Buenos Aires (Mons. Gustavo Podestá) dared to critize in his sermon “those who defend the indefensible” and within 24 hs was sacked by Bergoglio and sent home for ever (his flock in tears). Mons. Podestá even published in the parochial web page that “Mons. Bergoglio requested my resignation with great charity accepted it by telephone”.

I could tell a lot more. Church in Argentina is a mock of the true Church, as regards liturgy, doctrine and public defense of pro-life agenda. And this is to thank to our new Pope.

I think that the cardinals were utterly unaware of the true nature and records of Bergoglio. A wwell devised trapp was set; it appears that Abril y Castelló collected the votes. This cardinal is also well known in Argentina since he was a Nuncio here, and was responsible for many horrendous nominations of modernist Bishops.

Believe it looks awfully bad. This has to be, nevertheless, contemplated in the Divine Plan. Perhaps a chastisemen for the world and the Church.

Kind regards,

Antonio Lara

source: https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-paragon-of-true-humility.html


26 posted on 07/16/2021 1:28:10 PM PDT by Catholic and Conservative
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To: Catholic and Conservative
Good to know. I have not heard of that, but I find it very believable:

The Horror!
A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio - March 13, 2013.

This article was posted the same day Bergoglio was "elected" by his queer St. Gallen mafia.

27 posted on 07/16/2021 1:30:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Expect to see the Argentina Spanish Inquisition............


28 posted on 07/16/2021 1:32:40 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Skywise

“He’s satan incarnate.”

You flatter him, he’s a schmuck.


29 posted on 07/16/2021 5:36:13 PM PDT by jocon307 (Dem party delenda est!)
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To: Campion

My point being that in AD1517, a mere 500 years ago, inviting debate in an academic setting on matters of faith and morals was an act that could get you burned at the stake. Today Catholics complain that their leader is denying what they think is a means of God’s grace through liturgical ritual but will not give one passing thought that perhaps maybe they are mistaken about all the claims their church makes about itself. There is a reason God gave us The Bible.


30 posted on 07/16/2021 6:20:22 PM PDT by fatboy
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God gave the Bible to the Church founded by Jesus, not to every Tom, Dick, and Harry to reinvent "church" according to his own predilections. That hasn't changed, whether or not God permits the true church to be punished with bad shepherds for a time.

Since you profess to like the Bible, do you understand the Old Testament? History may not repeat, but it certainly rhymes. So, yet again, we have Israel separating itself from Judah. You are telling me to walk away from Judah and join Israel. And I'm saying: no sale.

31 posted on 07/16/2021 6:31:57 PM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: ebb tide

I don’t know why everyone is so shocked by this. It’s been 104 years and Russia has still not been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart as Our Lady requested at Fatima. It’s really no surprise. We just need to prepare ourselves for what’s to come...


32 posted on 07/16/2021 6:38:21 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: calico_thompson

Just wait for the next motu proprio, banjos and bongo drums will be declared mandatory liturgical instruments.


33 posted on 07/16/2021 7:16:58 PM PDT by Marchmain (i vote pro-life)
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To: ebb tide
An opportunity offered by St. John Paul II … was exploited to … expose her to the peril of division.

Thank you. You couldn’t have made my point any more forcefully.

34 posted on 07/17/2021 3:58:08 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: Campion

What you practice and what you believe is entirely up to you. However, consider the possibility that those who are objective in their approach to what God wants us to believe and practice might find it at least a tiny bit amusing that of all the the vast areas of theology that Catholics engage in that are either not mentioned in the Bible or are outright prohibited, the thing that has Catholics all aroused these days is the current situation regarding their Mass in the Latin language.


35 posted on 07/17/2021 6:53:06 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: fatboy
the current situation regarding their Mass in the Latin language.

The differences between the new Mass (1969 a.D.) and the old Mass (approx. 500 a.D.) regard much more than the language.

Latin is still the official language of the Catholic Church, although one wouldn't know it from the hostility to Latin by the current leadership of the Church. It has been said by exorcists and theologians that the devil hates Latin and the traditional Latin Mass. Things that make one think "Hmmm?"

36 posted on 07/17/2021 8:14:46 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ebb tide

TLM bump


37 posted on 07/17/2021 1:54:02 PM PDT by Dajjal (Now the Big Guy wants part of *my* income, too.)
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To: Campion

Israel did not separate itself from Judah, it was Jehovah that divided the kingdom into two, due to the disobedience and idolatry of Solomon. (1 Kings 11:11-13)


38 posted on 07/18/2021 4:39:26 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: ELS

According to The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent (English translation Rev. H.J. Schroeder, O.P. TAN Books Rockford, Il dated 1978) 22nd Session Chapter 8 page 148 “Though the mass contains much instruction for the faithful, it has, nevertheless, not been deemed advisable by the Fathers that it should be celebrated everywhere in the vernacular tongue.”


39 posted on 07/18/2021 4:59:20 PM PDT by fatboy
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