Posted on 02/24/2021 4:16:06 PM PST by ebb tide
”As to the demand for chastity: What does it mean from the perspective of people who experience homosexual inclinations? I think that few of them would consider this demand as tactful and respectful”
The bishop is an idiot ... and probably a fag.
It is indeed hard. In our arrogance, we believed that we’d be spared the fate of our mainline protestant brethren. As one after another mainline denomination (Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans Methodists et al.) slipped into apostasy on homosexuality, abortion, marriage, etc., we, or at least I, somehow believed that the papacy was a bulwark against the same thing happening to the Catholic Church. And popes like John Paul II and Benedict XVI gave me reason to believe that. I see now that I was probably wrong and naive in my optimism. The Catholic Church is susceptible to the same zeitgeist that has decimated mainline protestantism. Bergoglio is proving that papacy is not a bulwark.
When the RCC expects unmarried opposite-sex-attracted people to live celibate lives, does it disrespect them?
Despite the wish of some churchmen, the Catholic Church still holds to traditional morality. I would suggest that you look to the Protestant churches before you start throwing stones at the Catholic Church.
Separating from error or excess isn’t a schism that is caused by those trying to remain true to the Gospel and sound doctrine, but by those trying to enforce those errors and excesses, undermining sound doctrine.
As for schisms, there simply comes a time when it’s time to skidaddle rather than to be dragged along. Compromise, going along to get along is, sadly enough, a high use on ramp onto the broad way that leads to destruction.
There was a point in the Lord’s earthly ministry where He said some hard things and the result was that many who had been following Him ceased following Him at that point.
Now I could go on about Romans 1:18-32 but instead I’ll opine that for our generation, for a great many people, they have already gone along to get along so much that what should be straightforward Scriptural morals are now things that are too hard for them to bear.
It isn’t just homosexuality. It is, as you point to, abortion as well.
Children are a blessing from the Lord, so we should demand people who want to protect the availability of abortion that they tell us whose “blessing” abortion is?
There are looney tunes like this bishop making excuses for people doing something wrong all over. Adult males and females all know what is right and what is wrong. If they CHOOSE to do something wrong, it accomplishes nothing to tell them they are okay!
Thank you. Say more.
aha.....now I understand....chastity and moral behavior is only for the heteros....those homos can violate any commandment they want....because we all know how special they are...
I feel badly that some people have burdens in their lives of being or feeling different than others, but that is no excuse to carry those feelings out....
socialization requires all of us to restrict in some ways our lives....
that is what it means to have a society....
God asks everyone one of us the live chastely unless we are married. Young adults, the divorced and widowed, we are all to live chaste lives so long as we are single. Gays seem to think sex is somehow an entitlement. It is not.
It would be nice if our Bishops were as concerned about offending Christ as they were about offending those who choose to disregard his teachings.
I must have missed that verse that says the Church must respect sin. I know I’m old but I’m pretty sure that it’s the sinner that must repent and ask God for His mercy and forgiveness. Any group that says otherwise is not a Christian Church.
Now there’s an invitation to jump over the distinction in punchline of that old joke “Were you sent or did you just went?” if ever I head one.
But seriously, when I wrote: have already gone along to get along so much that what should be straightforward Scriptural morals are now things that are too hard for them to bear.
... that is partly rooted in observations about those who, being confessing Christians or claiming to be Christians, and having someone they love, often a child, come out of the closet they suddenly shift their whole attitude towards homosexuality and may even very vocally come out in favor of homosexual “marriage” in short order.
When they do that a number of things happen but really the most important, not discounting how they then get trotted out by unbelievers and homosexuals as an example of a good Christian, but what should really be most important to them is that they lose any possible witness that they may have had to their child concerning the truth, in real love calling them back to repentance, and further their acceptance might even be armor for that child to fend off others trying to witness to them.
Such persons are like plowmen who look back, and at a minimum they’ve potentially done real harm to those they claim they love ... while some may just go whole hog off the ranch, so to speak.
To do right in such situations requires loving the Lord more than the child (or whoever in specific circumstances) ... which alone is the way to retain your witness to them.
But the world tells a different story and too many have believed it.
Aside: you look real close at Genesis and it really looks like that first time, becoming one flesh, is getting married no matter what the kids may have thought was happening happened. The ceremonies seem to have all been added. Issac and Rebekah come to mind.
And so that is exactly what leads me to my question. Look at the sewer dive the Protestant denominations are into! And now the leadership of catholiciism is diving right in, too!
My heart aches for Catholics, and you well described why.
What’s the title of the Oxford paper?
So the man deigns to sit in judgment on God, does he?
Has he ever read the Bible?
So....., he’s comparing homosexuals to animals, now, is he........
I wish I remembered. It wasn’t in a journal and was more of a discussion. I do recall the web page was in England.
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