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Hungary rejects EU domestic violence treaty for ‘gender as social construct’ language
LifeSite News ^ | May 11, 2020 | Lianne Laurence

Posted on 05/11/2020 11:36:04 AM PDT by ebb tide

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Hungary’s rejection of the Istanbul Convention comes in the wake of controversy over a bill it introduced in early April to define gender solely as “biological sex based on primary sex characteristics and chromosomes.”

The proposed law would limit identifying persons in official documents to their sex recorded at birth — a classification that would then be legally impossible to change.

The bill sparked massive backlash from the LGBT lobby, which accused the Orbán government of discrimination for no longer allowing Hungarians to choose their preferred gender identity, as LifeSiteNews reported last week.

1 posted on 05/11/2020 11:36:04 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 05/11/2020 11:36:35 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Gender IS a social construct. Its a term hijacked from linguistics as a replacement for the biologically rooted traditional term of sex. To use it is to play by their rules. For a lark look up the man who coined it and all the wonderful things he got up to. Won’t teach you this in Gender Studies 101.


3 posted on 05/11/2020 11:40:39 AM PDT by jarwulf
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To: ebb tide

How queer. Why just the concern about violence against women?

There are women who are abusive against their husbands and children.

All domestic violence should be opposed.


4 posted on 05/11/2020 11:45:21 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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To: ebb tide

Good for Hungary.
I wonder how hard it is to learn their language?
Might need someplace to escape to when the Trump era ends.


5 posted on 05/11/2020 11:46:38 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ebb tide

Orban is a hero.


6 posted on 05/11/2020 11:48:12 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you.)
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To: jarwulf

Everyone should refuse to go along with their bastardization of the language.

Gender does indeed refer to language and is but just one example of what they have been doing, controlling the language to control the narrative to control the populace.


7 posted on 05/11/2020 11:48:37 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ebb tide

The time to get out is while they don’t have an army.

Trying to polish a turd while the door closes behind you is so ... European


8 posted on 05/11/2020 12:04:24 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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> Good for Hungary. I wonder how hard it is to learn their language? <

Good for Hungary, indeed. Poland also. The former eastern block nations know what tyranny is. So they will resist tyranny, this time in the form of the EU.

As for the Hungarian language, I speak enough of it to get by. My grandparents were born there. Hungarian is one of the most difficult languages of all to learn. Some experts say that Chinese has more in common with English than Hungarian does. What makes Hungarian so difficult is that it uses suffixes to add information to a sentence.

Say, for example, that you want to talk about a house. And it’s your house. In English you’d simply put the word “your” in front of the word “house”. But in Hungarian you add a suffix to the word “house”. What makes it so tough is that the Hungarian “your” suffix will change, depending on the word you add it to.

It’s called “vowel harmony”. It’s interesting, but it’s also maddening.


9 posted on 05/11/2020 12:16:47 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Permit me to add one more thing. You might be able to get by just speaking English in Hungary, at least in the big cities.

One of my aunts visited Budapest about ten years ago. She was eager to practice her Hungarian. But the younger Hungarians she met wanted to practice their English instead!


10 posted on 05/11/2020 12:35:22 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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One of my aunts visited Budapest about ten years ago. She was eager to practice her Hungarian.

LOL, just hope she had the right Phrasebook...


11 posted on 05/11/2020 12:36:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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> LOL, just hope she had the right Phrasebook... <

Ha! No phrasebook would be needed. Like most of my older relatives, my aunt is fluent in both Hungarian and in English.

And that raises an important point. Those older relatives of mine all spoke Hungarian at home. But the quickly learned how to speak English. They had to, in order to navigate in the outside world.

But now many signs are in both English and in Spanish. So why should a Spanish-speaking immigrant bother to learn English? Those signs weaken this country.


12 posted on 05/11/2020 12:47:50 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: ebb tide

Could you add me to that ping list?
Thanks for the article


13 posted on 05/11/2020 12:51:45 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

+1,but it’s a hard one.


14 posted on 05/11/2020 12:53:03 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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I lived in Budapest twice and learned Magyarul. It is FIENDISHLY difficult. It is one of THE most difficult things I ever studied and I started learning it right after I passed the bar exam.....

Hungarian is part of the Finno-Ugraic language family. Its only relatives are Finnish and Estonian (which is close to Finnish). It is not indo-European. You can look at the signs there and unlike in almost any other European country, you cannot understand one damned thing if you don’t speak it.


15 posted on 05/11/2020 12:53:56 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Leaning Right

My grandpa would only speak Hungarian with his friends and neighbors.
He made my Mom speak English because he wanted her to be American.
I wish I was taught as a child by my gramps.
Oh well.


16 posted on 05/11/2020 12:59:21 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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“Those signs weaken this country.”

By design.


17 posted on 05/11/2020 1:01:23 PM PDT by Leep (We can go to the grocery store but we can't go to work?)
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To: Leaning Right

Igen! Allany es Targyas.

To those who don’t know what I’m talking about with definite and indefinite......every language has 6 verb conjugations. First person (I, We), Second Person (you, you plural), Third Person (he/she/it, they). So....6.

Hungarian has 12. HUH?????? 12? Yes. 12. “How????” you ask. It depends on whether the object is definite or indefinite. Definite would be “the”. It identifies specifically which one. Indefinite would be “a”. You don’t know which one - it could be any one.

I buy a car. = Vasarolok egy auto. Vasarolni = to buy. the “ok” on the end means “I”. It was indefinite. It could be any car in general.

BUT

Vasarolom az autot. I buy THE car. You know which car. Therefore definite. Therefore “om” on the end of Vasar instead of “ok”.

and the fun doesn’t end there. Oh no. You know how you get to just hang an -s or -es on the end and make any noun plural in English? Not so easy in Hungarian. You have to know from the vowels in the noun if it is “deep” or “shallow”. Depending on that it could end in “ak”, “ek”, “ok”, (you get lucky and its just “k” if the noun ends in a vowel).

and there’s MORE loveliness like this. SO much more! :^)

There is one major compensation. MY GOD those are THE hottest women on the planet. HOLY CRAP are they smokin’ hot.


18 posted on 05/11/2020 1:04:31 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird

Yep, and I thought Polish was hard.


19 posted on 05/11/2020 1:08:31 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: GranTorino

I was lucky. One of my grandmothers lived close to me. And she lived long enough that I learned quite a bit of Hungarian from her. My parents would never speak Hungarian around the house. When I asked about that, they said that they couldn’t remember any of it.

Now, here’s the interesting thing. One day my father and I went to a casino. I went in one direction, and he went in other. Later on, I found my father at a blackjack table. He was sitting next to an old friend of his, who also happened to be of Hungarian descent. They were both jabbering away in perfect Hungarian.

So my father couldn’t remember any Hungarian?...I somehow think he could.


20 posted on 05/11/2020 1:09:32 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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