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Italy is Dying: Country’s Birth Rate Drops to its Lowest Level in History
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| 2/20/20
| Dorothy Cummings McLean
Posted on 02/22/2020 5:20:41 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: ealgeone
Natural family planning has been allowed for 2,000 years; yet, during all of this time, there was never a problem with a population being able to reproduce itself.
It wasn't until the Lambeth Conference of 1930 where the Protestants reversed their teaching on the subject that couples began to take it upon themselves to determine at the start of the marriage how many children they were going to have.
And as the agreed-upon number seems to have been "2", and because that number is below the number needed for a society to replace itself, we are in our current position of having to import our replacement population.
(But we still stand here and pretend to wonder how to stop the movement of red states shifting to purple and then to blue.)
To: daniel1212
I wish they saw it was wrong, including NFP, but you must include Catholics as well, since those Rome manifestly considers to be members use contraception about as much as Protestants, and evangelicals have about as many kids as Caths. Read the rest of my comments; I don't pull any punches for the Catholics.
To: taxpayerfatigue
It seems to me Greece is the gateway to all of Europe as once they get into Greece they can then go to any EU country.
To: Captain Walker
Two kids is replacement IIRC.
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posted on
02/23/2020 9:11:02 AM PST
by
ealgeone
To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
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posted on
02/23/2020 9:22:00 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: ealgeone
In the US, it's something like 2.1. (Mind you, the "replacement population" is the bare minimum needed to keep a population count flat.)
2.0 is inadequate for the simple reason that it doesn't address those who die before reproducing.
To: Captain Walker
Are we to presume you’ve done you’re “fair share” to keep the population above replacement?
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posted on
02/23/2020 10:10:59 AM PST
by
ealgeone
To: Captain Walker
It wasn't until the Lambeth Conference of 1930 where the Protestants reversed their teaching on the subject that couples began to take it upon themselves to determine at the start of the marriage how many children they were going to have. Whoa. You're statement is inaccurate as it makes out as if a general conference of ALL non-Roman Catholic groups convened at this conference. Your statement is misleading at best.
The Lambeth Conference is a decennial assembly of bishops of the Anglican Communion convened by the Archbishop of Canterbury. The first such conference took place in 1867.
Now, if you want to continue to argue that the primary purposes of marriage is to produce children, you're going to have to explain away Rome's allowance of Natural Family Planning when couples use it to AVOID pregnancy. It is contraception/birth control by another name.
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posted on
02/23/2020 10:26:11 AM PST
by
ealgeone
To: ealgeone
Birth control: Birth control is the use of any practices, methods, or devices to prevent pregnancy from occurring in a sexually active woman. Also referred to as family planning, pregnancy prevention, fertility control, or contraception; birth control methods are designed either to prevent fertilization of an egg or implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus.
Birth control is any method used to prevent pregnancy. There are many different methods of birth control including condoms, IUDs, birth control pills, the rhythm method, vasectomy, and tubal ligation.
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Seems science disagrees with you on what is birth control.
You are conflating "contraception" and "birth control" as if they are the exact same thing. But they're not: one is the overarching umbrella, while the other would be a smaller subset therein. Contraceptives are a form of birth control, but not all birth control is a contraceptive. It's like Scotch: scotch is a whisky, but whisky includes scotch, bourbon, Irish, Japanese, 'moonshine', etc.
To: FatherofFive
The constant drumbeat of the white liberal elite ‘the sky is falling’ BS being screamed out for years has an effect... Everything from ‘the population bomb’ to peak oil, acid rain, killer bees, rising oceans, global cooling, global warming, etc. etc.etc...
To make the BS more effective the stuff is taught to frightened 6 year old children then every year after. The third world doesn’t abuse their children in this fashion. So, yeah - western cultures are dying. A pox on our white trash ‘elites’... for damaging our children.
HOW DARE THEY?
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posted on
02/23/2020 12:41:54 PM PST
by
GOPJ
( http://www.tinyurl.com/cvirusmap https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm)
To: alexander_busek
“take over if the autocthonic populace dies out”
Populations or more accurately cultures are always in competition with other cultures. If the ‘authentic Italian culture’ can’t compete — well, that’s the way it goes.
To: ealgeone
“Has nothing to do with my question you are avoiding.”
It describes exactly why you would say such a stupid thing.
“If you cant handle the debate”
Nothing you post is ever any part of a debate. You just say boneheaded, stupid things that no intelligent person would ever waste his time on.
When a person is both stupid and a know-it-all, his ululations are never worthy of notice.
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posted on
02/23/2020 1:12:07 PM PST
by
dsc
(As for the foundations of the Catholic faith, this pontificate is an outrage to reason.)
To: dsc; EagleOne
Catholic charity shines through again.
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posted on
02/23/2020 2:57:05 PM PST
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: Captain Walker; ealgeone
Natural family planning has been allowed for 2,000 years; Another church sanctioned thing they condemn, relabel, and then tell their parishioners that it's OK.
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posted on
02/23/2020 3:00:14 PM PST
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: Svartalfiar; ealgeone
You are conflating "contraception" and "birth control" as if they are the exact same thing. So Roman Catholicism allows birth control as long as it doesn't involve any thing other than NFP?
Now, the FRomans on this board have soundly condemned birth control because it allows for sex without the opportunity for procreation because that has corrupted society.
The problem is, however, that is the goal of NFP is sex without the opportunity for procreation, just for the enjoyment of it, which many FRomans on this board condemn, as if sex for the heck of it is bad.
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posted on
02/23/2020 3:05:59 PM PST
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: dsc; metmom
Nothing you post is ever any part of a debate. You just say boneheaded, stupid things that no intelligent person would ever waste his time on. When a person is both stupid and a know-it-all, his ululations are never worthy of notice.
Continuing to prove once again that it is usually, though not always, the Roman Catholic who resorts to profanity and/or the personal attack when they are devoid of an argument....which is often.
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posted on
02/23/2020 4:18:51 PM PST
by
ealgeone
To: metmom
What hypocrisy. Everything I said about your scumbag-in-arms applies equally to you.
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posted on
02/23/2020 4:20:08 PM PST
by
dsc
(As for the foundations of the Catholic faith, this pontificate is an outrage to reason.)
To: metmom
The problem is, however, that is the goal of NFP is sex without the opportunity for procreation, just for the enjoyment of it, which many FRomans on this board condemn, as if sex for the heck of it is bad. Paul didn't seem to think so!
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posted on
02/23/2020 4:20:29 PM PST
by
ealgeone
To: dsc; ealgeone
True to form.
Have a good night.
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posted on
02/23/2020 6:50:10 PM PST
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: metmom
Now, the FRomans on this board have soundly condemned birth control because it allows for sex without the opportunity for procreation because that has corrupted society.
The Church doesn't say that sex is only to be used for procreation, that would be ridiculous. Or do you think the Church says that infertile people, or post-menopausal woman shouldn't have sex at all? There's no opportunity for procreation there! The Church condemns any kind of contraceptive: condoms, the pill, IUDs, etc. But as long as you stay natural (which is what NFP is), you're good to go.
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