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Priestly Celibacy: Apostolic Tradition, not a ‘Mere Discipline’
Catholicism.org ^ | July 24, 2019 | Brother André Marie

Posted on 07/25/2019 1:43:44 PM PDT by ebb tide

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1 posted on 07/25/2019 1:43:44 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 07/25/2019 1:45:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

The first written mandate requiring priests to be chaste came in AD 304. Canon 33 of the Council of Elvira stated that all”bishops, presbyters, and deacons and all other clerics” were to”abstain completely from their wives and not to have children.” A short time later, in 325, the Council of Nicea, convened by Constantine, rejected a ban on priests marrying requested by Spanish clerics.

The practice of priestly celibacy began to spread in the Western Church in the early Middle Ages. In the early 11th century Pope Benedict VIII responded to the decline in priestly morality by issuing a rule prohibiting the children of priests from inheriting property. A few decades later Pope Gregory VII issued a decree against clerical marriages.


3 posted on 07/25/2019 1:48:42 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: ebb tide
The earliest written reference to celibacy comes from 305AD at the Spanish Council of Elvira, a local assembly of clergymen who met to discuss matters pertaining to the church. Canon 33 forbids clerics in the church—bishops, priests and deacons—from having sexual relations with their wives and from having children, though not from entering into marriage. It was not until ecumenical meetings of the Catholic Church at the First and Second Lateran councils in 1123 and 1139 that priests were explicitly forbidden from marrying.

Eliminating the prospect of marriage had the added benefit of ensuring that children or wives of priests did not make claims on property acquired throughout a priest’s life, which thus could be retained by the church.

It took centuries for the practice of celibacy to become widespread, but it eventually became the norm in the Western Catholic church.

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2017/03/23/why-catholic-priests-practise-celibacy

4 posted on 07/25/2019 1:56:14 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

I’m not sure how celibacy could be an apostolic tradition when Peter was a married man.


5 posted on 07/25/2019 2:00:50 PM PDT by circlecity
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Eliminating the prospect of marriage had the added benefit of ensuring that children or wives of priests did not make claims on property acquired throughout a priest’s life, which thus could be retained by the church.

I think this is a bogus argument. Diocesan priests, as distinct from members of a religious order, can will their earthly goods to whomever they wish.

6 posted on 07/25/2019 2:02:01 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: ealgeone

What happened?

Have you abandoned sola scriptura for your own convenience to attack the Catholic Church?


7 posted on 07/25/2019 2:05:39 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Lets check in with Peter, ‘the first Pope’.

“When Jesus came into Peter’s home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever. He touched her hand, and the fever left her; and she got up and waited on Him.” Mt. 8:14,15

Also, what about 1 Tim. 4:3, foretelling prohibition of marriage?


8 posted on 07/25/2019 2:06:02 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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I’m not sure how celibacy could be an apostolic tradition when Peter was a married man.

I'm pretty sure you didn't even read the article by your above comment.

9 posted on 07/25/2019 2:07:42 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Still Thinking

Another poster who seems to not have even read the article.

Typical.


10 posted on 07/25/2019 2:08:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

No I didn’t, no criticism required. I was just posting on the general topic of priestly celibacy. Respond or not as you wish.


11 posted on 07/25/2019 2:12:11 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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I think this is a bogus argument. Diocesan priests, as distinct from members of a religious order, can will their earthly goods to whomever they wish.

No it's not a bogus argument.

12 posted on 07/25/2019 2:13:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

Paul told those who were married not to deprive each other.
“celibate” marriage is not only nonsensical it’s nonbiblical.


13 posted on 07/25/2019 2:13:43 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Still Thinking
No I didn’t,...

Thanks for being honest. I recommend your read the full article before making further comments.

14 posted on 07/25/2019 2:14:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
Have you abandoned sola scriptura for your own convenience to attack the Catholic Church?

Everything you disagree with is an "attack" on the RCC. Such thin skin.

An appeal to Scripture shows a number of the Apostles were married and that marriage is perfectly fine for the man called to serve God. Even having children is fine.

It is Rome that has abandoned Scripture on this matter.

15 posted on 07/25/2019 2:15:45 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

Maybe we ought to require priest to be married. It may give them a whole new perspective to preach on Hell.


16 posted on 07/25/2019 2:17:15 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Vaquero

So Bingo, no celibacy for the first 11 centuries of Church history.

Meaning we’ve actually had married Priests for longer than we’ve had celibate ones.


17 posted on 07/25/2019 2:17:59 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: Mom MD

All of a sudden you sola scripturists seem to have jumped ship.

I’m not surprised.


18 posted on 07/25/2019 2:18:03 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ealgeone

Read the article before you keep putting you foot in your mouth.


19 posted on 07/25/2019 2:19:22 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Isn’t tradition short hand for
“because we’ll always done it”?


20 posted on 07/25/2019 2:22:00 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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