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Closing in on 30,000! Catholic women, sign the Catholic Women's Letter to Pope Francis
Catholic Women's Forum ^ | August 30, 2018 | Catholic Women's Forum

Posted on 09/03/2018 9:36:20 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: BlessedBeGod; reno; ealgeone; Campion
This should be of interest:

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21 posted on 09/03/2018 11:55:12 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devilÂ’s schemes. Eph 6:1)
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To: barbarianbabs
From #1:

CATHOLIC CAUCUS

...but I won't blow the whistle on non-Catholics if you want to constructively discuss how to get more Catholic women's signatures on this Open Letter to the Pope.

22 posted on 09/03/2018 11:56:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devilÂ’s schemes. Eph 6:1)
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To: Reno89519
Criminal indictment, trial and punishment is needed in every case of criminal abuse and/or cover-up which is an obstruction of justice>,P. This is essential -- but not sufficient --- for the purification of Christ's Church.

In the meantime, report n when you've gotten your Catholic wife and all of her Catholic lady friends to sign the letter, OK?

Even if PF does not take notice, it will help the secular press to take notice, and in this case the press should not be siding with secrecy, they should be demanding disclosure.

23 posted on 09/03/2018 12:01:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devilÂ’s schemes. Eph 6:1)
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To: Reno89519

When I was sexually abused at age 7...Saint Luke’s Barrington RI by a visiting pedopriest...

Monsignor O’Gara knew
Father Brennon knew
All the nuns knew

They talked my parents into not pressing charges. For my own sake.

Nice con job


24 posted on 09/03/2018 12:36:29 PM PDT by barbarianbabs
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To: Campion
That canon means there is no court-of-appeal beyond a Papal decision, not that nobody is allowed to have or express an opinion. You're out of your league when you start trying to tell Catholics what their own church law means.

However...as noted before to you....this is the opinion of a Roman Catholic Canon Lawyer.

Unless you're a RC Canon lawer, I'm going with what she says.

25 posted on 09/03/2018 1:01:47 PM PDT by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE!)
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To: ealgeone

e, you are correct. Regardless of what’s printed in a big book, this pope will not be judged. He has not been, nor will he be. Laws are irrelevant. He is pope and no one will touch him.


26 posted on 09/03/2018 1:13:07 PM PDT by Marchmain (pax)
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To: Sacajaweau

Remember St. Catherine of Siena, she let the Pope in her time have it. If she could have walked this earth today, she would this hashtag:

#Catholicmetoo .


27 posted on 09/03/2018 1:23:38 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I have come to the realization that Cardinal Borrego is an antiPope.


28 posted on 09/03/2018 1:29:00 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Just curious, since it is an internet based “letter”, what are the odds that the vast majority of signatures are from atheists and just plain haters of Catholics and Christianity in general?
29 posted on 09/03/2018 1:32:59 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I once found a needle in a haystack but it wasn't the one I was looking for...)
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To: Mercat

In segregating yourselves this way you are defying God’s intent for men and women.

If there were no other theological problems with it, it echoes the actions and ideology of feminism, itself of and from Satan.

Besides that, it’s just fricking obnoxious.


30 posted on 09/03/2018 1:32:59 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Church is in schism/civil war.


31 posted on 09/03/2018 1:36:11 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I did take a quick look and it is from Catholic women with positions and ministries.


32 posted on 09/03/2018 1:40:27 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: dsc

Sorry but I still don’t understand.


33 posted on 09/03/2018 1:43:04 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Biggirl
I did take a quick look and it is from Catholic women with positions and ministries.

I understand that but that wasn't my concern.

What my concern is that in signing the letter all you have to do is give your NAME, your EMAIL, STATE and COUNTRY.......And there you go, you're a "Catholic" who supports whatever this letter is citing......

While I'm not an atheist, I'm also not a Catholic but I can sign the letter and claim to be...............

34 posted on 09/03/2018 1:49:42 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I once found a needle in a haystack but it wasn't the one I was looking for...)
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To: Mercat

Creating bad will between the sexes is on the agenda of every front group that Satan has up and running, including the communists.

Limbaugh listed a bunch of reasons for feminism, but the primary goal was to turn women into things that are incapable of being good wives and mothers.

Every time women announce a “women’s this” or “women’s that,” it contributes to that goal. Just as whites are sick of being persecuted for the sake of ungrateful and undeserving minorities, men are sick of being persecuted and disadvantaged in every walk of life for the sake of resentful, hostile, and closed-minded women.


35 posted on 09/03/2018 2:07:30 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Very little chance, I think, that these signers are atheists/Christianity bashers. The letter itself is respectful and constructive. It isn't even asking the Pope to chuck the reprobate bishops out on their a--- or or resign. It is not even a protest, nor even an accusation. It is just a demand that Pope Francis do what he said he was going to do, and answer some specific questions.

It does not have an anti-Catholic tone, content or intention in the least. If I were an infected, overheated anti-Catholic I would find it much, much too constructive.

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36 posted on 09/03/2018 2:28:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devilÂ’s schemes. Eph 6:1)
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To: barbarianbabs
I am horrified that you were abused, and I think your perspective is very important.

Right now the focus is not only on the direct offenses, but on the widespread shielding of perps within the institution.

This was, in part, corrupt institutional self-protecting. They were protecting the institution, not the abuse victims. This is disgusting, sinful and in some times criminally actionable.

But it was also IN PART, AT ONE TIME, wrong-headed but well-intended. In the 60’s-80’s the main focus in both the Church AND the State was the therapeutic model. Not only didn’t bishops turn the perps in: parents didn't either. They begged not to have it go through the legal system, didn’t want their kids dragged through this in public, didn’t want kids re-traumatized by the trial process, AND agreed that both their kid and Fr. Judas A. Huggybear probably needed psych intervention or counseling.

Police didn’t want to arrest, just like they didn’t want to arrest in domestic violence incidents: they wanted “community corrections” and “pre-trial diversion.” Prosecutors AND JUDGES didn’t want to prosecute: they wanted to refer to remediation outside of the court system.

I remember this all through the 1970's in the Diocese of Erie (Pennsylvania) when I was an active volunteer both in juvenile and prison issues.

All that has gone by the wayside because it is NOW recognized that offenders actually don’t respond well, long-term, to counseling: they-offend. Plus, people under-estimated the long-term harm this did to the victims. Some actually thought “making a big thing of it” would harm the children: the kids might be temporarily upset but best just smooth it over and all memories will heal.

I was told that by psychologists!! --years ago when I worked as a volunteer in shelter work for kids who were in protective residential placements, and prison justice initiatives.

I do not at all think “most” of (today's) priests or “most" of (today’s) bishops are either abusers or concealers. What we’re getting is a telescopic picture of the mid-to-late 20th century and its lingering consequences; not an ongoing pattern for the future.

As I see it.

The main thing now is to uproot the real corrupt-o-crats in the higher clergy, who are mostly wizened, pampered old reprobates who have been in CYA mode for decades. They are hell-bait. I hope they repent before they die.

It may take criminal indictments to do it.

I am all for criminal indictments for perjury, concealing of evidence, obstruction of justice and related crimes, even if it goes all the way up to the Pope.

37 posted on 09/03/2018 2:47:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devilÂ’s schemes. Eph 6:1)
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To: dsc

Big problem with petitions: those who write them think they are saying something powerful and important, when actually they sound like petulant and ignorant whiners. Add the inevitable demands (which the signers usually have no right to make) and it does get obnoxious. Petitions are ordinary people writing to extraordinary people and making fools of themselves. No matter your momentary thrill of self-importance, you achieve nothing by signing an internet form most use to vent spleen, nothing more.


38 posted on 09/03/2018 2:47:47 PM PDT by Marchmain (pax)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Signed!

If it were not for you and the Church Militant, I’d have much less knowledge about what is going on in my world. Thank you so much.


39 posted on 09/03/2018 2:56:26 PM PDT by CH3CN
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So nice to have a-non-Catholic here who is also a canon law expert. But you are wrong. You are failing to distinguish between advising, admonishing, and "judging."

This is the opinion of a Roman Catholic Canon lawyer.

If something has happened many time historically, it is absurd for you to say it is impossible.

Again...I do not say it....a Roman Catholic Canon lawyer does.

So that's why my advice to you is, as always: in matters Catholic, ASK us, do not TELL us, what we can and cannot do.

I did. I went to canonlawmadeeasy.com for the answer to my question.

You so often make puerile pronunciamentos as if you knew a lot about the matter at hand, when, so frequently, you demonstrate that you do not.

Again...I went to canonlawmadeeasy.com for my answer.

Getting off that high horse of yours might take a while.

The opinion of the Roman Catholic Canon lawyer is there is nothing that can be done to remove Francis from office....hence why I say you can collect 100,000,000 signatures.

40 posted on 09/03/2018 3:01:40 PM PDT by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE!)
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