Posted on 07/11/2017 2:04:09 PM PDT by amessenger4god
About time to treat that root of bitterness, right? Paul was inspired by The Holy Spirit of God, and received instruction directly from Jesus while he was raptured to Heaven, then returned to earth. he said so ... unless you want to also call him a liar.
What makes you think J*sus was from G-d? You are aware, I hope, that the "new testament" was an addition to the Bible, no different than adding the "book of mormon" or something else like that. G-d did not give Moses a 66-book "bible."
And since you're so into "fallacies," have you ever heard of the one called "affirmation of the consequent?" It's the one chrstianity is based on.
Read John 14, Jesus speaking to His closest friends. He told them that if they had seen Him they had seen the Father. Would you receive it if I explained that passage to you using a physics concept?
You seem to be missing the point. Why should I pay any attention to John 14? Why should I pay any more attention to the "new testament" than to the "book of mormon?" Something tells me that you can't quite grasp the concept that the "new testament" isn't self-evidently true.
You are aware, are you not, that the Bible originally didn't have a "new testament," that it was added later? That's why it's "new."
You don't understand, do you? Your only defense of chrstianity is the quote the "new testament." You realize that only works with people who already believe in its authenticity?
I cannot help you in your unbelief. But, there is coming an event which will give you an opportunity to change your mind and call out ‘Blessed is He Who comes in the name of the Lord’. Don’t let your bitterness block your heart from repentence at that hour. Shalom
Thank you for your admission that your belief in the "new testement" rests on absolutely nothing.
May it be His Will that you one day see the errors in this and acknowledge the true and pure Word of G-d.
I said I cannot help you with your unbelief. The Truth of Jesus, Who He IS, has built great faith in Him as Messiah, my Savior, and brought me into the 'Body of Christ', which concept is impossible to comprehend without His Holy Spirit teaching the regenerate human spirit, raising one up in the way that they should go.
I take it then that you do not want a Physics explanation for what Jesus taught His disciples recorded in John 14 under guidance of The Holy Spirit of GOD?
They are not the church.They are attending the wedding.
The wedding feast is for the Bride and Groom.
We know the Groom is Jesus.
We also know the Bride is the church.
Therefore, the virgins are not the church because it is not their wedding feast. They are guests at it.
The Bride, the church, is the guest of honor. It's HER wedding.
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The New testament is the recorded fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah.
The entire OT points towards Jesus. The NT shows where that was fulfilled and what is coming after and how NT saints are to live.
The entire OT points towards Jesus. The NT shows where that was fulfilled and what is coming after and how NT saints are to live.
And once again, you're completely missing the point.
You are repeating very well-known chrstian claims. And that's what they are--claims. Repeating them does not prove them. But you don't seem to have any other "proof" than simply repeating them ad nauseum.
The claims of the "new testament" and chrstianity to be the "fulfillment" of the "old testament" is the very thing I am disputing. And the only way you can defend the claims is to simply repeat them.
Have you never studied apologetics at all other than with convincing other Protestants that they're wrong and you're right about something?
And I just wrote a huge post defending American Fundamentalist Protestants!
I suppose then that the writers of the Gospels were liars, then.
Right?
It’s not about Protestant apologetics.
It’s about reading the Gospels and other NT writings and reading where the authors stated *And this was in fulfillment of Scripture....* or something to that effect.
Good points. All true. Except........
So who then are the ten virgins?
Only saints are virgins in scripture. Only saints have the Holy Spirit (oil in their lamps.).
Cannot apply to unbelievers........
Might refer more to the product of the work of the Holy Spirit in their hearts.
The wise virgins remained in fellowship, allowing the Holy Spirit to continue His sanctifying work in us. The foolish virgins did not remain so perseverant.
Remember how our Lord perceived when a woman touched His garment in faith.
When the Lord returns, the HS may have already departed, leaving us with the spirit and sanctification of our souls partially complete, pending the Millennial reign.
Non-church age believers?
Maybe Jewish believers during the Tribulation or from before the church age.
Not exactly sure, but IIRC, believers before the church age did not have the continual indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. Psalm 51 references that when David asks that God not take His Holy Spirit from him. So that leaves that as a possibility.
I also agree that it cannot be unbelievers.
Makes no sense.
You are accurate on OT believers, but the wise virgins did have the HS. Inconceivable that Jewish converts during the Tribulation would not have the HS. Regeneration requires the Holy Spirit.
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