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Methodist High Court Rejects First Openly Gay Bishop’s Consecration
The New York Times ^ | 4/28/17 | Laurie Goodstein

Posted on 04/29/2017 6:28:39 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: BenLurkin

Do the Methodists actually call it consecration (not ordination)?


21 posted on 04/29/2017 8:07:29 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: YouGoTexasGirl

Yes, ma’am! Ryan Barnett, Rob Renfroe st all are standing firm in love and I couldn’t be prouder of them.


22 posted on 04/30/2017 5:09:13 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Albion Wilde

This was a fake ruling designed to allow the current situation to continue. The broader liberal strategy is to get conservatives to quit and to thereby change the slim voting majority that conservatives now hold.

This all designed so liberals will gain permanent control of properties, finances, pension and health funds, and institutions.

It’s all about control of money and power.

Follow the money.


23 posted on 04/30/2017 7:04:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: Albion Wilde

I love my congregation, but the overall direction of the UMC since my childhood has me deeply distressed.


24 posted on 04/30/2017 7:33:21 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: marshmallow

This is all meaningless word games. What the Methodist church allows is more a statement on their policy and theology that what they say.


25 posted on 04/30/2017 9:45:50 AM PDT by fwdude (Democrats have not been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.)
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To: marshmallow

Should anyone who professes to be a Christian and read Titus 2:3-5 and Romans 1:26-28 they would know what the Bible states about women’s roll in church or homosexuality.


26 posted on 04/30/2017 10:14:10 AM PDT by okie 54
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To: xzins
This was a fake ruling designed to allow the current situation to continue.

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that if the consecration had taken place, the UMC would have suffered a mass exodus like the ECUSA, and therefore they punted?

27 posted on 04/30/2017 7:56:00 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: clee1
the overall direction of the UMC since my childhood has me deeply distressed.

I left knowing that five generations of family had been Methodist. It was almost like a divorce. Took me ten years of searching and church visiting before I could consider joining another denomination. I've been very happy with the theology of the LCMS.

28 posted on 04/30/2017 7:59:30 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde

I’m saying the ruling should have stripped her of her bishop status as a minimum. It is so obvious in our rules. However, they punted and referred it back to the region that elevated her in the first place.
Their intent is to demoralize conservatives causing them to quit prior to the 2019 vote that was supposed to be in 2018. It’s all about money and power.


29 posted on 05/01/2017 3:47:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Im looking into the LCMS. The only nearby congregation is so small, though....


30 posted on 05/01/2017 4:17:16 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1
Im looking into the LCMS. The only nearby congregation is so small, though....

Ours is small, too -- about 60 attend each Sunday out of around 200. I'm not thrilled with that aspect socially and made the mistake of falling in right away with two of the members of what I later realized was a female clique, and now have withdrawn myself from it gradually, sidestepping the inevitable gossip factory of a small congregation. But I stay for the Bible-based preaching and teaching of the Word and the wonderful hymnal, also quite scripturally sound and musically deep -- not like the pop praise songs the UMC started using before I left.

I've found a few true friends in the congregation over time, although I cannot count on a large supply of church members for intimate friendship. I'm supposed to be out spreading the gospel and bringing people to Christ, anyway! So I participate in several organizations that do good for those in need of the Lord. One of them is Community Bible Study.

31 posted on 05/01/2017 7:33:19 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: xzins

Wow, the politics. It really stinks. Thanks for the explanation.


32 posted on 05/01/2017 7:34:50 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: Mamzelle
The UMC has a nest egg of twenty billion dollars. The superintendents and bishops want to control that ill gotten fortune.

That's insane. smh

33 posted on 05/01/2017 4:47:58 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: imardmd1

I loved it when it was the Methodist Episcopal Church; loved the liturgy and the cultre. Everything went downhill after the merger into UMC.


34 posted on 05/01/2017 4:49:50 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde
Its government was better, and the fixation was still on holiness as from the beginning. You may not want to hear this, but my opinion of the beginning of change was not so much union with Evangelical United Brethren (with which they always had many things in common) but earlier on, when the ME women changed their name and their focus from "Womens' Society of Christian Service" (commonly referred to as WSCS) to "United Methodist Women."

It was at that point that I saw the women essentially uniting to assert more and more of their determination to overwhelm the dominance of their husbands in their families, and over the local government of the goals of the churches.

Mark this well.

But that movement really took root during and just after the men went to war, when the women and elder men kept the churches going, and seminarians influenced by the "social gospel" began to prevail in directing the Conference Boards.

35 posted on 05/01/2017 5:55:29 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Albion Wilde

Smh? Is that an acronym I don’t know?


36 posted on 05/01/2017 6:17:16 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Shaking my head.


37 posted on 05/01/2017 6:19:39 PM PDT by freepersup (A freeper behind every blade of grass. / Count your blessings!)
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To: xzins

The strategy is to stall, prevaricate, LIE. The end game is to wait for the older conservatives to die off. In the meantime, pretend to be concerned and recommend that the codgers think about bequests for the UMC in their wills. The superintendents,clergy and bishops treat congregants the way the GOP estab treats ordinary Americans.


38 posted on 05/01/2017 6:22:57 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: freepersup
😉 tnx.
39 posted on 05/01/2017 6:27:21 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: xzins

They were supposed to confront the issue in Portland in 16. Punted is a good word, but I prefer “stall” and stall till the old die. If you want to drive the superintendent crazy, start talking about how you’re withdrawing financial support and cutting the UMC out of the will. And look into the influence of Adam Hamilton, who just finished building a$100M palace in Kansas City.


40 posted on 05/01/2017 6:31:40 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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