How Do We Know It’s the True Church?

Catholic Answers ^ | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

[boatbums]

Wrong again. It WAS a Reformation and it was sorely needed. Still is!

You are in error as usual. If I am a member of a club, Elks for instance, and am dissatisfied with something they do, I would make suggestions at a lodge meeting as to my opinion and seek to make changes in their policy.....If I start the reindeer club to protest the Elks rituals, I have REVOLTED, not reformed.

Look in the mirror, TC, error is running down your face!

I guess you'd say the Roman Catholic church had a Counter-Revolution, then?

Here's the thing, if the charter for your Elks Club had unchangeable policies within it and some muckety-muck new leaders started making changes to those policies, wouldn't it be THEM that are revolting and not the faithful Elk'rs who insist on staying faithful to the charter - what it means to BE an Elk Club member? If the in-charge Elk'rs started behaving like the Reindeer Club, wouldn't they cease being the Elks Club? The faithful Elk'rs would try to reform their beloved club BACK to what it was supposed to be from the start but if the bad guys refused to reform and kicked the good guys out, then the good guys would have every right to start their OWN Elks Club...maybe call it the Reformed Elks Club. See it now?

[terycarl]

Here's the thing, if the charter for your Elks Club had unchangeable policies within it and some muckety-muck new leaders started making changes to those policies, wouldn't it be THEM that are revolting and not the faithful Elk'rs who insist on staying faithful to the charter - what it means to BE an Elk Club member?

Not the way it worked at all....if the muckety muck tried to make unauthorized changes, they would be asked to leave...(excommunicated).If however, they decided they wanted change, and brought it up at a Vatican council...it would be voted either up or down....(Luther would have been voted down)

Since he knew that the church would never accept his version of Christianity, HE LEFT THE CHURCH (revolted) and started what he considered a new way of doing things....called Lutheranism (a denomination).

Actually, Martin Luther considered himself to be a Catholic until the day he died.....the Catholic church didn't agree and excommunicated him. I do believe that in recent years they may have lifted that penalty?????

When you decide to disagree with a 1,600 year old institution, and seek changes in it, you'd better have a VERY convincing argument to back your thesis...his wasn't good enough to convince the Catholic church to change...so they didn't....he did. He did not change belief in the Eucharist, that was someone else' brilliant idea.