Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
Jesus also claimed the backing of Scripture as proofs for who He said He was.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Luke 24:25-27 And he said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?" And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24:32 They said to each other, "Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?"
Luke 24:44-49Then he said to them, "These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled you and let you hunger and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that he might make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.
Matthew 4:4 But he answered, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, "Is this not the reason you are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?"
Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.
John 10:35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be broken- Seems that God has a much higher opinion about His Word than you do. Or most Catholics do for that matter.
Scripture is TRUTH as its Author is TRUTH.
Anything that does not agree with Scripture is a lie. It's authoritative on the basis that its origin is God. Anyone who rejects it rejects the only sure and certain source of Truth this universe know.
Doctrinally they are distinct.
And we know better. Try that line on someone who doesn’t know anything about Catholicism.
Oh, so when it’s Catholics, hey, what’s a few bad popes among friends? Boys will be boys, dontcha know?
But when it’s Protestants, then they lives must be impeccable, purer than the new driven snow, more righteous than even Jesus.
Problem is, the self-righteous religious of Jesus’ day crucified Him, not recognizing Him and thinking in their delusion that He was wrong.
Sounds a lot like most religious organizations today.
Those two top ten lists don’t even agree.
And that’s only the WORST popes. That’s not a comprehensive list of all the bad popes the Catholic church has ever had.
But if someone had read that, they’d know.
And you’re Ukrainian Catholic that you’d know that?
Surprised, is a word, that doesn't do justice to the meaning. What we need, is a word, that describes a shock to the system, that goes infinitely beyond the meaning, of just being surprised.
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Shattered?
I don’t think there’s a word in any human language which will describe the horror of the realization that Jesus was right about being born again by believing and having realized that you were told it time and again, and ignored or worse yet, mocked it.
Good grief....4th grade sentence diagramming...
Imperative sentence...DO THIS....implied subject...you...
you DO THIS......the rest of the sentence tells why to DO THIS....
In memory or Me....
THIS is the Consecration that He had just dome....
remember now????
Doesn't OSAS mean that you can do either without penalty because all sins have already been forgiven???
Do you know the audiences He was talking to in John 6 and Luke 22?
Well, you can pick your favorite and call the rest the 265 worst Popes of all times.....sheesh.
Doesn't OSAS mean that you can do either without penalty because all sins have already been forgiven???
TC....ALL sins have been forgiven. They've been nailed to the cross.
However, it doesn't mean the Lord won't discipline us while we're here on earth.
As I noted to you earlier....there are varying consequences of our actions.
Genesis 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life , that is, its blood.
Leviticus 3:17 "It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood."
Leviticus 7:26-27 "Moreover, you shall eat no blood whatever, whether of fowl or of animal, in any of your dwelling places. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people."
Leviticus 17:10-14 "If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood."
"Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off."
Leviticus 19:26 "You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes."
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Deuteronomy 12:23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life , and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, "Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
"'After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.'
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues."
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
"The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."
Matthew 26:29 "I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."
Mark 14:25 "Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."
Luke 22:18 "For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Unbloody sacrifice
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P41.HTM
1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner."188
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
When Christ died, His blood was poured out as was required by the law.
Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Since without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins, a bloodless sacrifice is a useless one. It cannot atone for sin.
Jesus commanded His disciples to drink the cup. Catholics claim that doing so is partaking of the literal body and blood of Himself. However, if the mass is an unbloody sacrifice, where does the blood for the cup come from?
Which body of Christ is the priest sacrificing in the mass? The old one that walked this earth?
Or the new resurrected and glorified one? The Bible is very clear that without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sin. (Hebrews 9:22)
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." (Leviticus 17:11)
Despite the clear teaching of Scripture, Rome has an "unbloody sacrifice." They say it's a propitiatory sacrifice, but the Bible says without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. So not only is it unnecessary to sacrifice Christ again and again, but an unbloody sacrifice is worthless to make atonement for sin. An unbloody sacrifice is no sacrifice at all! (By .45 Long Colt)
Oh man....you, of all posters would say that......and then you attempt to deny 2016 years of Christian facts......O.K.
I believe you just nailed it MM. MHG, you get honorable mention for participating, but there is NO WORD to describe the utterly shocking horror, people will experience at that moment. A shock that will never wear off. The worst part is, no one need be there. Aren't you glad you are going to miss it?
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He just did
Ah, superstition--close.
Actually nothing to debunk for centuries, as the first Christians did not believe as you do.
"For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread;Do it in remembrance of Jesus.
24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
25 In the same way He took the cup also, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.
27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup," (1 Cor. 11:23-28).
That was His instruction.
It's pretty obvious that His disciples were not watching him tear a piece of His Body off and handing it to them.
It's metaphorical, but nevertheless, Catholicism is pretty certain of their ritual to the point that it became very dangerous for any that didn't buy into it and instead did communion the Biblical way:
"If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist (communion wafer) are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema." ) p.79, Canon 1.Anathema-To be damned and put to death
There are a bunch more 'anathemas' calling for death for those that don't believe as Catholicism does, but the above should suffice for now.
I did find something I had never seen before in my years of research into Catholicism. From The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori, p. 33
"...the power of the priest is the power of the divine person; for the transubstantiation of the bread requires as much power as the creation of the world. ...thus the priest may be called the creator of the Creator..."Amazing.
Excellent find.
Nope.
Sin has consequences. It's just that loss of salvation is not one of them.
But Catholics do not understand that God will now allow a child of His to continue in sin. Nor do they understand desire for holiness and sinlessness that motivates the believer to live a holy life nor the revulsion that a born again child of God feels at the thought of sinning and offending the One who redeemed him as such a great price.
The unregenerate mind cannot wrap around that the regenerate one does not want to sin.
When they accuse believers of that it goes to show the unregenerate state of the person who thinks that others think like them. It's called *projection*.
A regenerate believer does not need the threat of hellfire to avoid sin nor external force imposed on him to keep him from sinning.
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