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Was The Papacy Established By Christ?
triablogue ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jason Engwer

Posted on 06/19/2015 12:01:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: ravenwolf; Lil Flower

The entire passage you are referring to has nothing to do with rightly dividing the word and defending the words of scripture. Using it as a stick to promote erroneous teaching of what scripture says only shows lack of understanding.


301 posted on 06/21/2015 4:10:36 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; dhs12345
>>in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of “golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.”<<

Then they can't be your prayers can they. You just said only those in heaven are saints. Then you make the gigantic leap of assuming those are prayers from people on earth who the Catholic Church does not consider saints.

>>For sins committed after baptism, a different sacrament is needed.<<

Prove that from scripture please.

>>Jesus delegated the authority to forgive sins to Bishops and Priests.<<

There is no office of priest in the New Testament ekklesia other than the High Priest Jesus Christ and the priesthood of all true born again believers.

302 posted on 06/21/2015 4:23:08 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; Syncro
>>It is amazing that some profess belief in Jesus and that they are saved before they die, yet fail to understand the words that Jesus spoke directly about His Body and Blood several times and offered them to the Apostles at the Last Supper (the Real Presence).<<

Do you still get hungry and thirsty? If you believe Jesus words were to be taken literally but still get hungry and thirsty you obviously are doing something wrong.

303 posted on 06/21/2015 4:26:25 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; Syncro
>>The Catholic Church bases her teaching upon one source: The word of God.<<

Please prove the assumption of Mary from "The Word of God". Even the Catholic Church claims it can't be done. Maybe you should inform them.

304 posted on 06/21/2015 4:32:30 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: MHGinTN

As I said, I don’t believe you or the religion that you practice.

I believe in God and the Catholic Church that teaches the word of God.

The Catholic Church has 2000 years of history dealing with heresy and apostasy and has survived just like Christ promised.


305 posted on 06/21/2015 4:59:13 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: CynicalBear

As I said, I don’t believe you or the religion that you practice.

I believe in God and the Catholic Church that teaches the word of God.

The Catholic Church has 2000 years of history dealing with heresy and apostasy and has survived just like Christ promised.


306 posted on 06/21/2015 5:00:14 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: Syncro

Your comment: “My goodness, finally descended into condescending snark have we?”

You will have to let me know what got to you if it makes you think.

You make lots of assumptions, most of them are wrong.

Your religion is negative about the teachings of Jesus and the Catholic Church so why should I listen to the same old rantings?


307 posted on 06/21/2015 5:15:22 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: dhs12345

Your comment: “It is as if the Catholic hierarchy and Church are claiming that they are EQUAL TO Christ. Oh my gosh!”

Again the negative specious comments that you make but can’t back up.


308 posted on 06/21/2015 5:29:09 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: Springfield Reformer; Mark17; Syncro

Oh, but it is the protestant spin.

Admit it that the Protestants don’t have the Real Presence of Jesus Body and Blood, so they protest.

The Protestants are like the followers in the Bible (John) that didn’t believe the words of Jesus and stopped following Jesus.

Just because you and others say so, doesn’t make it the Truth.

It must make you uncomfortable to say that you follow Jesus, except for God’s gift of His Body and Blood among other teachings.

As Jesus said, Peace be with you. Pax vobiscum.


309 posted on 06/21/2015 5:55:37 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: CynicalBear

I also will take what Jesus says above what Paul says”.

I’ve got news for you, the Holy Spirit inspired the words of scripture.


Yes, that is what I said, People who will use Paul`s words to contradict what Jesus said certainly believe Paul alone was directed by the holy spirit.


310 posted on 06/21/2015 6:24:16 AM PDT by ravenwolf (t)
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To: CynicalBear

The entire passage you are referring to has nothing to do with rightly dividing the word and defending the words of scripture. Using it as a stick to promote erroneous teaching of what scripture says only shows lack of understanding.


So, exactly what are you disagreeing with?


311 posted on 06/21/2015 6:44:24 AM PDT by ravenwolf (t)
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To: ADSUM
>>I believe in God and the Catholic Church that teaches the word of God.<<

The Catholic Church doesn't teach the word of God. It teaches it's own word over the word of God.

312 posted on 06/21/2015 6:55:42 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ravenwolf
>>People who will use Paul`s words to contradict what Jesus said certainly believe Paul alone was directed by the holy spirit.<<

Or you are misunderstanding what Jesus said.

313 posted on 06/21/2015 6:57:38 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ravenwolf
>>So, exactly what are you disagreeing with?<<

Explaining the wrong interpretation and application of scripture is NOT a plank or a splinter.

314 posted on 06/21/2015 6:59:10 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; Springfield Reformer; Syncro; CynicalBear
Admit it that the Protestants don’t have the Real Presence of Jesus Body and Blood, so they protest.

The Protestants are like the followers in the Bible (John) that didn’t believe the words of Jesus and stopped following Jesus.

Just because you and others say so, doesn’t make it the Truth.

It must make you uncomfortable to say that you follow Jesus, except for God’s gift of His Body and Blood among other teachings.

As Jesus said, Peace be with you. Pax vobiscum.

The ones who stopped following Jesus, were the ones who took Him literally. I take him figuratively, because I didn't want to sin by drinking blood. It does not make me feel uncomfortable in the slightest. I am totally comfortable in my belief. You may believe whatever you like. I just don't have to do it. I guess when Gabriel returns and blows his bugle, then we will know who's got it. Until then, I am satisfied. Have a nice forever. I know I will. 😇

315 posted on 06/21/2015 7:09:41 AM PDT by Mark17 (Take up they cross and follow me. I hear the blessed savior call. How can I make a lesser sacrifice?)
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To: CynicalBear

It is a shame that some do not accept the Word of God and continue to protest the Catholic Church and what Jesus teaches.

One opinion is certainly not the Truth, just protestant spin.

May God truly help you understand and accept His teachings.


316 posted on 06/21/2015 7:10:14 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: CynicalBear

Or you are misunderstanding what Jesus said.


If I am misunderstanding what Jesus said wouldn’t it be better for the one who disagreed to show me by what Jesus really said rather than try to dispute what Jesus said by what Paul said?


317 posted on 06/21/2015 7:12:19 AM PDT by ravenwolf (t)
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To: ravenwolf

Look, I don’t even know what you are referring to as far as what some Protestant said. I am simply pointing out that that Holy Spirit inspired the words of scripture, all of them. Claiming to take one part over another part of what He inspired to be written is putting yourself over His words. It’s proclaiming the Holy Spirit contradicted Himself and we need to chose which to believe. If we perceive a contradiction we can rest assured it’s our interpretation or understanding that is in error. NOT one section of His words over another.


318 posted on 06/21/2015 7:36:28 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM
>>It is a shame that some do not accept the Word of God and continue to protest the Catholic Church and what Jesus teaches.<<

What the Catholic Church teaches is NOT what Jesus taught. Those who oppose the Catholic Church do NOT protest what Jesus taught. Stating it the way you did may make you feel better but it's still not truth.

319 posted on 06/21/2015 7:39:11 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mark17

They only take Him literally when it suits their needs. They still get hungry and thirsty. Go figure.


320 posted on 06/21/2015 7:40:42 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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