Posted on 05/24/2015 1:57:09 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Jesus doesn't have a Catholic Church...
Your reliance on Scripture alone ignores that Jesus Christ appointed a leader of His church and that Scripture came from sacred tradition and the leaders of the Catholic Church.
Scripture alone PROVES that Jesus did NOT appoint a leader of his church and that scripture is the written tradition of what was taught to the apostles/disciples...
The author does not believe in the authority of the papacy and the magisterium, yet acknowledges Peter as the leader of the Church. Somehow he fails to acknowledge that the Scriptures came both from the Church leaders - the Popes and Bishops and from the magisterium.
And how do you know this??? From scripture??? NOPE...
You learned it from your popes, bishops and magisterium, which are foreign to the scriptures...
That would be funny if it was not so pathetic.
Could we see your source on that ??
The pope says 1 in 50 priests is a pedophile
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690575/Pope-Francis-admits-two-cent-Roman-Catholic-priests-paedophiles-interview-Italian-newspaper.html
Here is a list for your reading enjoyment ... BTW I actually know 3 of the "priests" on that list
http://bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/PriestDBbylastName-A.html
Indeed ..opening your bible can change your life
Prov30:5 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
So you do not agree with John 3:16 ??
More than seven in 10 U.S. women obtaining an abortion report a religious affiliation (37% protestant, 28% Catholic and 7% other), and 25% attend religious services at least once a month.[38] The abortion rate for protestant women is 15 per 1,000 women, while Catholic women have a slightly higher rate, 22 per 1,000.[32]
http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/characteristics.html
What says your church ??
So the Amen chorus just ignores history and it interprets the Bible accordingly.
If you tell yourself often enough, you begin to believe it is the truth.
So Peter and the apostles and their successors are fiction.
Again, you should thank the Catholic Church for following sacred tradition and preserving the Bible so that you can read it and dispute the words of God that you do not agree with.
“If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” —Jesus
ALERT - repetitive out of context distortion of the words of Christ in Scripture
Your comment: “As long as they agree Mary means the Fast Track to Jesus, they’ll all swear to it, and insult your mental capacity for not agreeing.”
How easily you forget the ten commandments, especially #4?
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Perhaps you should read and understand: http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/mary-matters
It is very easy to state what it is that you don’t believe. That has been the history of Protestantism. Protestantism itself began as a... you guessed it... “protest.” “We are against this, this, this, and this.” It was a “protest” against Catholicism. However, the movement could not continue to exist as a protestant against something. It had to stand for something. And that is when the trouble began. When groups of non-infallible men attempted to agree, the result ended up being the thousands of Protestant sects we see today.
Dr. Walter Martin was a good Protestant. He certainly and boldly proclaimed, “I do not believe Mary is the Mother of God.” That’s fine and good. The hard part came when he had to build a theology congruent with his denial.
I or any other faithful Catholic will never apologize for our love of Christ, our faith, and Mary.
Where do any of the writers of the NT ever tell us to love Mary??
I am sorry you have chosen to be blinded to all the beauty of the Catholic Church.
The Mormons, Muslims can equally claim their "church" is beautiful. However, beauty is not what should attract us to a "church".
We have been and still are the church founded by Christ on this earth. We offer love, forgiveness, and truth. What do you have to offer? Which denomination am I supposed to listen too?
What's this "We offer...."???? You imply catholics have this love, forgiveness, etc to offer.
Your statement ignores the fact that it is Christ who offers forgiveness, truth and love.
You will not find anyone on this thread, except catholics, that brag about their denomination. Christians realize denominations are not what it's about.
I choose the Catholic church with all of its sacraments, traditions, saints, devotions, universality, teachings, readings and anything else I want to through in there.
Sounds like you are attracted by shiny objects.
It is very interesting that the early Christians became followers of Christ without all of the need for the man-made nonsense of catholicism.
I believe that the Catholic church was the one founded by Christ himself, I believe in the true presence in Christ in the Eucharist, I believe in the forgiveness of sins in the confessional, I believe in a hell and purgatory, I actually believe more people go to hell then heaven.
Christ did found one church.....just not the Roman Catholic Church as we understand it today.
A reading of John 6 in context will explain the eucharist.
Confession to an earthly priest is not necessary for forgiveness when 1 John 1:9 tells us we can go straight to Christ for forgiveness.
I agree there is a Hell....but no purgatory.
I can choose to believe or not private revelations of Marian apparitions. Which I do believe the church approved apparitions of Fatima and Lourdes and her messages to pray for world peace.
If the church has approved them the catholic has to believe them.
The catholic would do well to acquaint themselves with what the apparition really said at Fatima and Guadalupe. If they do they will realize this was not from God.
I believe Mary has her place in God's plan of salvation, and that is to lead everyone to heaven.
And yet, somehow, Mary is never mentioned in Scripture as serving in this capacity. She wrote not one letter, epistle, etc as did Paul, Peter, James, Matthew, Luke, John, Mark, or Jude.
The early church did not include The Protoevangelium of James as part of the canon as it was not received by the early church. Nor did the RCC include it in the canon at Trent when it had a chance to.
While I don't doubt that Mary was a follower of Christ and participated in His Kingdom while she lived on earth, we find no appeal to come to Christ through Mary in the Scriptures. And please, let's not pull John 2 out of context.
The false titles, powers, abilities, etc given to Mary by the roman catholic church signifies the deification of Mary and is a clear case of idolatry.
To further illustrate the lengths catholics will go to substantiate their claims on Mary is evidenced on EWTN where catholics quote ISLAM, a false teaching in support of these claims. (https://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/olislam.htm)
As the catholic continues to deny, yet even advances, the false teaching of Mary, the following is offered for others reading this thread regarding the deification of Mary by catholicism.
"The union between the Immaculata and the Holy Spirit is so inexpressible, yet so perfect, that the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse. This is why she is the mediatrix of all graces given by the Holy Spirit. And since every grace is a gift of God the Father through the Son and by the Holy Spirit, it follows that there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose." — Manteau-Bonamy, Immaculate Conception, 91; F.X. Durrwell, The Holy Spirit of God (Cincinnati: Servant Books, 2006), 183-185.
He who is under the protection of Mary will be saved; he who is not will be lost . . . O immaculate Virgin, we are under thy protection, and therefore we have recourse, to thee alone, and we beseech thee to prevent thy beloved Son, who is irritated by our sins, from abandoning us to the power of the devil. - . . Thou (Mary) art my only hope. . . . Lady in heaven, we have but one advocate, and that is thyself, and thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation ... My Queen and my Advocate with thy Son, whom I dare not approach “ (From Judge Fairly, p. 5).
Just so we understand the truth.....
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me (John 14:6).
It is my prayer that all will come to know Christ and follow Him.
Posting it as if it were will lead someone to the wrong interpretation of that passage.
What Jesus said when He spoke those words, is: Matthew 18:15-18 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
For all the criticism non-Catholics receive about cherry picking verses and taking them out of context, there is simply no way anyone is going to one up this abuse of Scripture.
Taking a fragment of a sentence and posting it as a command of Jesus' is the ultimate in cherry picking verses to support a doctrine.
It will lead to deception.
This passage is only about settling personal disputes between individual believers, and the taking it to the church part is the LAST step in in process.
What it most certainly is NOT is a blanket command by Jesus to listen to, or submit to, the Catholic church.
The body of Christ, not the Catholic church, is the pillar and foundation of the truth. It is NOT the truth itself.
I realize that Catholics wish with their whole hearts that non-Christians would be followers of men, but it's just not so. Nobody is following Luther just because they believe that Scripture is the final authority and that it contains all we need to know pertaining to life and godliness.
Simply because two people come to the same conclusion based on the evidence, does not by default mean that one is a follower of the other. That's a misinterpretation of the evidence. No surprise coming froma Catholic.
Right. Thank you.
That is all they know ...that is the method used in their catechism .. cherry picked ...out of context scripture..
Because they do not read the scriptures they have no clue of the context.. or how to read it
Place explain to me how what a church looks like has anything to do with salvation? I just do not understand. Some of the best services I attended as a child were in a brush arbor. Nothing fancy about them at all.
The Mormons have a prophet too
As the Catholic church has human leaders that are both saints and sinners, and yet The Catholic Church continues to survive and spread the Good News. Could we do it better? Yes, and it takes time to bring people to understand and accept God's gift of Love to us and return their love to God and our neighbor. Do all Catholics fully understand and accept God's Love? Probably no.
What is the good news Rome spreads ?
God speaks for God and He speaks through God the Holy Spirit to each and every believer in fellowship with Him by His volition.
Do you really think I am talking about a building?
Your comment: “Nobody is following Luther just because they believe that Scripture is the final authority and that it contains all we need to know pertaining to life and godliness.”
So your personal interpretation is always correct and you need no guidance in understanding God’s word. Wow!
From: http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/the-protestant-achilles-heel
Sola Scriptura was the central doctrine and foundation for all I believed when I was Protestant. On a popular level, it simply meant, “If a teaching isn’t explicit in the Bible, then we don’t accept it as doctrine!” And it seemed so simple. Unassailable. And yet, I do not recall ever hearing a detailed teaching explicating it. It was always a given. Unchallenged. Diving deeper into its meaning, especially when I was challenged to defend my Protestant faith against Catholicism, I found there to be no book specifically on the topic and no uniform understanding of this teaching among Protestant pastors.
Your comment is a false statement: “I realize that Catholics wish with their whole hearts that non-Christians would be followers of men, but it’s just not so” So is this how you interpret the Bible?
The Catholic Church has a leader and speaks with authority as delegated by Jesus Christ and will be inspired by the Holy Spirit until the end.
And the other Churches have no leader who speaks with church authority about matters of faith and morals. Apparently, anyone can form a new church and collect vast sums of money.
Feel free to attend a Catholic Mass so that you can learn about the Good News.
Or one could do like millions of others and read the Word and learn about the Good News. It's pretty clear what it teaches.
No need to go through a priest, Mary, confession, etc.
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