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[Response to 2013 WSJ article] Cultural Catholicism and the End of Life: “You Earned It”
309 words of Wall Street Journal article posted on triablogue Blogspot ^ | Wall Street Journal August 29, 2013 : blog on August 30, 2013 | by PAUL MOSES Wall Street Journal copied by John Bugay

Posted on 04/17/2015 12:12:16 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: MamaB; Gamecock
That is gross. What is it supposed to be?

See this article/thread for more information:
Incredible skeletal remains of 'Catholic saints' dug up, still dripping in gems and jewellery:

Thousands of skeletons were dug up from Roman catacombs in the 16th century and installed in towns around Germany, Austria and Switzerland on the orders of the Vatican. They were sent to Catholic churches and religious houses to replace the relics destroyed in the wake of the Protestant Reformation in the 1500s. Mistaken for the remains of early Christian martyrs, the morbid relics, known as the Catacomb Saints, became shrines reminding of the spiritual treasures of the afterlife. They were also symbols of the Catholic Church's newly found strength in previously Protestant areas. Each one was painstakingly decorated in thousands of pounds worth of gold, silver and gems by devoted followers before being displayed in church niches. Some took up to five years to decorate. They were renamed as saints, although none of them qualified for the title under the strict rules of the Catholic church which require saints to have been canonised.

41 posted on 04/17/2015 1:46:29 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy
They were renamed as saints, although none of them qualified for the title under the strict rules of the Catholic church which require saints to have been canonized.

Well, all those jewels the skeletons were dripping placed those dry bones in the front of the line for RCC sainthood. And filled the RCC barns a little fuller.
42 posted on 04/17/2015 1:50:28 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: RnMomof7
Ever wonder what so many Catholics are liberal ping

Well, it's a cinch the warm, respectful welcome they get here isn't going to sway them to the conservative position.

43 posted on 04/17/2015 1:51:01 PM PDT by Campion
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To: RnMomof7

I’m not sure I’m getting the driving point of this article. Can you summarize it?


44 posted on 04/17/2015 1:51:14 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Campion

Guess you have not seen the attacks on Protestants, esp, the post about non Catholics not going to heaven.


45 posted on 04/17/2015 1:55:33 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Campion
Well, it's a cinch the warm, respectful welcome they get here isn't going to sway them to the conservative position.

Many FReepers have and do disagree with your "conservative" assessment and what it means.
46 posted on 04/17/2015 1:56:34 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: piusv
I’m not sure I’m getting the driving point of this article. Can you summarize it?

Don't remain a FRoman Catholic and drive.
47 posted on 04/17/2015 1:58:09 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Yeah, my post was serious. I’m following the main point.


48 posted on 04/17/2015 2:04:01 PM PDT by piusv
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To: RnMomof7

Hmmmm... ok.

I guess I’m on a treadmill. I still go to confession to verbalize and attone for my sins with the hope that God will somehow let my pathetic excuse for a Catholic/Christian into heaven. I haven’t “earned” anything that he hasn’t let or allow me to “earn”. But I’ve done plenty to “unearn” my way to a much lonelier place than heaven. Any goodness in my life is due to him and I can assure you that every sin is mine by choice.

This article is jumbled and I’m trying to figure out if it is slamming the RCC or if it was placed as bait so that others who want to slam the RCC can gather and join in the fun.

I was a fallen catholic who became an agnostic, then born again Christian and finally returned to the Roman Catholic Church because it speaks to my soul and it brings me peace. I don’t get the bashing of the Church or the complaints of one Christian believer against another.

We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Those that wish to divide us and “prove” that one is “better” than another I feel are just lonely and need affirmation that they’ve made the “right choice”. So before any flame wars start just remember that anything that takes our eyes and hearts away from Christ is a distraction. God sees what’s in your heart and knows your motives and still finds you a lovable creature of his. All of us fall short of perfection. Some like myself fall much shorter but still have faith that through the sacraments of confession and holy communion with the attempt to live in the spirit of Jesus Christ that somehow my misshapen soul will find it’s home in Heaven.


49 posted on 04/17/2015 2:09:12 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: piusv
Yeah, my post was serious. I’m following the main point.

Mine was too. Deadly serious. Eternally-deadly serious.

(Lord Jesus Christ alone. Accept no substitutes.)
50 posted on 04/17/2015 2:10:05 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Dick Vomer
We are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

If you truly believe that, you urgently require re-evaluating of which spirit it was that you were born again. How do you know?
51 posted on 04/17/2015 2:13:13 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Forget it.


52 posted on 04/17/2015 2:14:17 PM PDT by piusv
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To: jobim
I have been doing this One Note Samba on RnMomof7 anti-Catholic threads because it appears to me that her purpose here is simply to criticize Catholicism. She is free to do what she wishes, and I have made attempts to find common ground and to dissuade her from launching these daily attacks on what to me is a friendly club called FR. Defending one’s beliefs is always acceptable, but to launch scud after scud against Catholicism is unseemly.

Have you made "friendly" attempts to stop catholics from posting?

53 posted on 04/17/2015 2:16:07 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Dick Vomer; RnMomof7
>>have faith that through the sacraments of confession and holy communion with the attempt to live<<

Salvation has nothing to do with "sacraments of confession and holy communion with the attempt to live". Salvation is by faith in Christ and His sacrifice alone. No amount of actions on your part have anything to do with salvation. Anything other than faith in Christ alone is relying on man's actions. Put your faith in Him alone and not in what you might be able to do.

54 posted on 04/17/2015 2:23:09 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Slyfox
Hey, Sly ... do you know what is really sad?

No, what?

Christians all over the world are suffering and dying for their faith in Jesus. They are being beheaded, set afire, shot, you name it.

Yeah?

It seems that if people could spend more time praying for them and their situations we'd all be better off. Don't you agree?

Yes, yes I do.

56 posted on 04/17/2015 2:30:51 PM PDT by Slyfox (If I'm ever accused of being a Christian, I'd like there to be enough evidence to convict me)
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To: Slyfox
Hey, Sly ... do you know what is really sad? No, what?

Christians all over the world are suffering and dying for their faith in Jesus. They are being beheaded, set afire, shot, you name it.

Yeah?

It seems that if people could spend more time praying for them and their situations we'd all be better off. Don't you agree?

Yes, yes I do.

And yet Paul, while living in the Roman Empire, which was no friend of Christianity, still found time to correct false doctrine.

57 posted on 04/17/2015 2:34:56 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Your name is Paul?


58 posted on 04/17/2015 2:37:27 PM PDT by Slyfox (If I'm ever accused of being a Christian, I'd like there to be enough evidence to convict me)
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To: Resettozero

you said, “If you truly believe that, you urgently require re-evaluating of which spirit it was that you were born again. How do you know?”

I don’t understand your question.


59 posted on 04/17/2015 2:48:25 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: Dick Vomer; RnMomof7

60 posted on 04/17/2015 2:51:04 PM PDT by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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