Posted on 03/18/2015 6:21:18 AM PDT by RnMomof7
What happens to society when all of a sudden, everyone is free to do whatever they want? If you remove all morality, what happens to the legal side? What’s the justification for laws against robbery or murder or anything?
The other aspect of grace is we don't get better by doing more and trying harder that is God's work in us and often we don't even notice it. Moses didn't notice the glow he picked up being so close to God until he came back to the camp.
Philippians 1:6 “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:”
The bible is clear morality matters, the law matters, and right and wrong matters, and governments retain their prerogative in the realm of law.
I Peter 2:13-14 “Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.”
The magnitude of our sin is such that while in the physical realm governments issue different punishment for infractions of their laws; in the spiritual realm this does not carry over. At the judgment God will not get out his scales and pile the good on one side and bad on the other.
James 2:9-13 "But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
In the sermon on the mount Jesus raised the bar on our sin and showed that if we even think a sin we are guilty of it.
Steve Brown said this on the subject. “The verses that are often quoted, preached and taught by those who are offended by the radical grace of God can all be put into the category of “law.” In other words, God always calls his people to obedience, holiness, faithfulness and sanctification. That never changes because God is immutable and he is who he is.
There are several aspects of the law of God which are important. The law, as I said, isn’t just found in the Ten Commandments…but revealed throughout Scripture. The law is the will of God revealed to his people and the Psalmist said that the law of God is “perfect.” In every place in Scripture where Christians are called to obedience—in a formal covenant, in the call of prophets, and in the New Testament’s admonitions to specific acts of love, forgiveness, obedience and faithfulness—there is a reflection of God’s holiness, his nature and his mind. It is here that we see the heart of God’s revelation for the people he loves.
That doesn’t change; but, thank God, that isn’t all the Bible says about the law.”
Source: http://www.keylife.org/articles/youre-a-heretic
It is also of note that this world is structured in such a way that sins often carry their own consequences. The prodigal son still lost everything in the far country and suffered in the pig pen. That's just built into the sin, but none of that changed the fact he was a son.
For those who do not accept the free gift of salvation it truly will be a fearful thing to fall into the hands of just and righteous God.
Paul in Romans 6:14-23 said it this way “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
So in conclusion, yes my sin is just as sinful, but has been paid for and is forgiven and when I stand before God I will enter heaven not for any work I have done, or any law I have kept; but because of the blood of Jesus.
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>> “ Purgatory to cleanse those not quite ready for Heaven” <<
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Sorry deception!
One has only their time on Earth to get “ready for heaven.”
There is only one way: Yield completely to Yeshua, so that he can write the commandments on your heart, so that you can “endure to the end” in faith.
Purgatory is a deception by Satan. It cannot exist. If you fail to endure, there is nothing left to help you. (2Peter 2:8-22)
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>> “but that doesn’t negate the fact that you have sinned and need to be cleansed before entering Heaven” <<
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Total nonsense!
Grace takes care of your past sins; if you continue in sin you are forever lost, and there is no way that you can pay your way to salvation.
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If your faith falters, and you return to a life of sin, as Paul stated in Hebrews 6:
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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I thought you were defending the doctine (belief) of sola scriptura - for yourself and others. Seems you are not, correct?
Are you familiar with the doctrine of sola scriptura?
If so, what is you definition?
Are you saying that sola scriptura is all about chaos and disorder?
You're arguing agains my first point. Scripture doesn't say: "search scripture alone for truth"
I defend staying with what Jesus and the apostles taught. If you have another infallible source for what they taught put it out here.
Paul didn't commend the Bereans for using anything else.
The “definition” is simple:
All doctrine must come from preserved, written, inspired communication from the Holy Spirit, not from fallible words passed from sinner to sinner.
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I wonder what Yeshua meant when he kept saying “it is written.”
Maybe he had a bad memory and needed a note from his mommie to remember...
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According to you.. according to your beliefs -doctrine. According to sola scriptura. I don't see how you can dodge defending sola scriptura.
Yes, you did. And I appreciate that. You gave a good analogy that applied to a chaotic system. Fluid dynamics. It would apply to any non-linear system, such as weather. However exegesis as concerns sola scriptura is, by definition, is not a chaotic system.
A chaotic system violates the conditions of sola scriptura - clear to the rational reader, its own interpreter, etc...
If Holy Scriptura is a chaotic system, then.. well, the result is chaotic. I think that only reinforces my point.
And this doctine/belief is according to you? An individual such as yourself?
Like I said. Show me any other infallible source for what the apostles taught and you can disprove that scripture is the only source.
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