When Jesus Says 'I Never Knew You'

What they didn’t say reveals why they will be sent away from the Lord forever. They didn’t say, “But Lord, you died for our sins on the cross.” And they didn’t say, “Lord, we have been trusting in your sacrifice for salvation.

Not deliberately trying to be disagreeable, I can do that with out half trying ha,ha, and do mostly agree only because I think I see the point being made.

I can not see that what they did not say has anything to do with it.

If these were the only things Jesus said I could see going to James and Paul to see what in the heck Jesus meant when he said those things.

But Jesus explains it himself better than any one else could,( even James ) I think we should ask Jesus what he is talking about.

Jesus, what did you mean when you said
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

John 6:40
And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who seeth the Son, and believeth in him, may have life everlasting, and I will raise him up in the last day.

What about the commandments?
Jesus made the commandments of his father very simple.

Mathew 22:34-40
7 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus also explains what keeping these commandments means Matthew 25: 31-46.

1 John 2:1-2
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

God will forgive us if we ask but if we do not believe in the two great commandments we have no where to ask.

Thank you for the very relevant scriptures. 1 John 3 is also informative:

1 John 3 New International Version (NIV)

3 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

More on Love and Hatred

11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.

19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

This is a mouthful, something for the children...

I really have a problem with the understanding of the scriptures you quoted unless I connect it to 1 John 2:3

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

In other words I believe John thought of the two greatest commandments which Jesus gave as his only commandments.

I will be honest, if John is including more than the two great commandments I am in trouble.

But if he is just talking about the Commandments Jesus gave then I can be forgiven every thing else.

Joseph Smith also heard a call from god

Thank you for acknowledging that your claim that Mother Teresa's call from God "certainly isn't clear from her own statement" was false.

Since the topic we were discussing was the relationship between faith and works I'll leave discussions of Joseph Smith, Muslims and Hindus to another day.

The summation of the two Commandments are found in the Old Testament..

Deuteronomy 6:5
Leviticus 19:18

Are the specific wordings..

And what comes before each of those pretty much gives a summation of the ten Commandments He gave Israel at Sinai..

And just a side note... the woman in revelation 17 is wearing priestly colors... all except one..
Blue,, and the color blue was to remind the priests and Israel of His Commands.. numbers 15:38
Exodus 28:6

A blue less church.

Praise Him our sins are forgiven!
Now His Work of Sanctification begins on us ‘little children’ as 1 John uses the phrase ‘little children’ a few times..

Kind of puts us in our places a little when we get referred to as little children so many times in a short letter :)

Yep, you sure got that right.

Thanks for the verses.

There are verses in revelation that let us peek into the throne room in heaven and there is an ark (11:19, 15:5)

We see in Deuteronomy 31:26 that a book of law was placed on the side of the ark of the covenant on earth as a witness..

There also is a book in revelation 5 with seven seals that is only opened by the Lamb in the throne room.

There at least is an allusion that is the book of Deuteronomy (if not the whole Torah) that He is worthy to take the book and open the seals..

I don’t know enough about Israel’s earthly kings and if they each had a sealed copy of the Torah or at least Deuteronomy but Deuteronomy States they were required to write out a copy for themselves (DEUT 17:18) and they were to use the one the Levites would have access to: the book placed at the side of the ark.

Deuteronomy is much more than the ten commandments but it does center around Loving God, loving your neighbor and special emphasis on the loving treatment of strangers, widows and fatherless..
Some those curses in Deuteronomy for wandering away can be seen in the revelation plagues...even the wormwood ...

Kings of Israel were to read it all the days of their life...
So they could rule and reign..

That has new testament application if we are honest..

Yeshua/Jesus when asked by the Pharisees after they having gotten together (one of them an "expert" in the law) answered their question, “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” this way:

“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

But then how do you show that love?

John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.

We and the entire world are in trouble precisely because we have not kept his commandments. Worse, our actions of spreading iniquity and harming innocents will be what provokes the Almighty into action against us.

Have you ever read the Book of Enoch?

http://book-ofenoch.com/

Have you ever read the Book of Enoch?

I read a few chapters of it and it appears that most every thing is in past tense as if it were written well after the fact.

As far as the two greatest commandments are concerned, I have saw more of these being kept by people who could not even quote a scripture in the Bible but just had faith in God than I ever have from people who claimed to be religious.

But maybe that is just me because I do not even like the word religion.

We see in Deuteronomy 31:26 that a book of law was placed on the side of the ark of the covenant on earth as a witness..

I am not very familiar with it but it appears to me that even the Sabbath day commandment has more to do with the way we treat others as it does anything else.

Raven, He came here and bound His murder and adultery laws to not just letter, but spirit..

And He did ‘loosen’ His Sabbath to include doing good..

The religious leaders lorded over people what they couldn't do so much that I dare say most of His ‘Healings’ were done on the Sabbath as a thumb in their eye and a wagging of His finger in their faces..

I have studied His calendar and it is interesting that He, as a little8 day old babe was ‘made whole’ in a priests eyes on His circumcision (a weekly Sabbath Day)..

Spend the Sabbath the way He did and we will spend some time healing those around us.. and strangers, widows and fatherless wouldnt be a bad place to start.. some do that work as their vocation. Truly a blessed people. That phrase is used at least 10 times in that book of Deuteronomy according to my concordance..

And He did ‘loosen’ His Sabbath to include doing good..

That is the way it appears to me, if we love him we will keep his commandments, no other way to love thy neighbor except to help him if he is in need of it.

But maybe that is just me because I do not even like the word religion.

Ditto.

I read a few chapters of it and it appears that most every thing is in past tense as if it were written well after the fact.

Agree it would seem like it. However, since much of it concerns what takes place around "The Day of the Lord", on the whole it couldn't be.

At the link you will find a downloadable pdf of a hard copy that describes much about its origin and likely time the manuscript we have was written (about the middle of the second century BCE) - IIRC.