Posted on 01/31/2015 11:27:12 PM PST by Morgana
excellent post and well argued from scripture. this is one area where i think some of us “free-will” charismatics and catholics may have common ground. of course we also have a bunch of places where we differ (sinless mary, no brothers by mary for Jesus, transubstantiation, infant baptism, saint praying, ...).
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And web boast in the hope of the glory of God. 3Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
13To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Confusion about Justification is from Satan, and his prints are all over any suggestion that Jesus once-for-all sacrifice is not REALLY once-for-all. Dead religion, energized by the prince of the power of the air, always ends up nullifying the grace of God and preaching this slander: “Christ died for no purpose.” (see Galatians 2:21)
If there was ONE thing we could do to finally merit salvation, He died needlessly. Our enemy is beyond subtle. The actual reality is that we necessarily would stumble at that ONE point, thus breaking the WHOLE law. “But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise, by the faith of Jesus Christ, might be given to them that believe”. (Gal. 3:22)
I’m convinced God left plenty of rope in Scripture for the religious heirs of Cain to hang themselves with. “HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM” is a way that seems right to them, but ends in death.
Why? Because “THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH”.
Boatbums, that’s awesome! I was cobbling together my post while you posted that, and am doubly convinced that Satan is present wherever God’s glorious grace in Christ is nullified. Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ for His word to us in Romans!
If you truly believe and FOLLOW HIM, you will come to this point REPEATEDLY!
Your once and done is once and done! What about the REST?
Do you still believe and follow, or disbelieve and follow yourself?
Do you seek conviction and repentance from the Holy Ghost, or yourself, or some one claiming they represent him?
http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/17-9.htm
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Turn to him, seek his face, abandon the wicked ways, and he will heal our land.
This article confuses justification with sanctification, and reconciliation and imputation with human works. It makes nonsense of 1 John 1:9. I don’t think I want a part of their scheme, bb. I want to know where I’m going.
Of course, God could have lied to us here: Jeremiah 31:34New International Version (NIV)
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
God told us that the New Covenant would change things. The Old Covenant and the rendering of the Commandments/Law was specifically to prove to the stiff-necked lot, who challenged God to give them the rule book, that they could not become worthy of their own efforts - it was designed to increase sin via the breaking of all the commandments that were insisted upon. Did God mean it when he spoke through Jeremiah that he would forgive our wickedness and recognize our sins no more? Was it a trick statement? Did Jesus have to die for something that mortals could accomplish?
Excellent, as usual.
“God told us that the New Covenant would change things. The Old Covenant and the rendering of the Commandments/Law was specifically to prove to the stiff-necked lot, who challenged God to give them the rule book, that they could not become worthy of their own efforts - it was designed to increase sin via the breaking of all the commandments that were insisted upon. Did God mean it when he spoke through Jeremiah that he would forgive our wickedness and recognize our sins no more? Was it a trick statement? Did Jesus have to die for something that mortals could accomplish? “
Brilliant.
One time event. Justification is never a process. You are either declared justified or you are not.
“John was talking about those that made a good start- expressed faith, played the part. The fact that they didn’t persevere proved that their conversion was not genuine.”
better word is demonstrated.
They were not ever believers. Ever. Leaving revealed the truth.
The first premise is wrong so the rest of the Catholic position falls apart.
Man is not saved by works, or which infant water baptism is one, done to someone without their consent.
John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Salvation is by faith, by believing on His name and receiving Him by faith.
An infant cannot exercise that will to choose and nobody can make that decision for them.
Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Excellent article! Thank-you and God Bless!
Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
....Yet according in the Acts of the Apostles, WHOLE households were baptized, and that included little babies.
A reminder that conversion is an ongoing process.
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