Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “But we know that the Father did not truly forsake the Son.” <<

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You seem to ‘know’ lots of things that simply are not so!
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[metmom]

Taking a passage and deciding to interpret it either literally or figuratively, depending on what doctrine you want to support, will only lead to error.

It’s no way to do exegesis and fake all of a passage figuratively except one verse you like literally.

So Catholics claim that you have to LITERALLY eat, Jesus but go on to ignore where He said that the words He spoke were Spirit and life and the flesh avails for nothing. They ignore where he says SEEING and believing gives life. They don’t take literally that they will never die, but claim that’s just a spiritual meaning, and a whole host of other inconsistencies.

[metmom]

The Bible does not include a comprehensive list of everyone who was at the crucifixion (either close-up, or at a distance on the periphery), any more than it includes a list of everyone who was at the "Sermon on the Mount".

The Holy Spirit didn't include lists of things that didn't happen just to satisfy the petulant demands of skeptics.

The fact that something wasn't recorded as not happening doesn't give anyone license to make stuff up along the way and teach it as truth.

If it was important enough to be known, then God certainly would have included it as He included all the rest of the stuff we need to know for salvation and maturity in Christ, as He did.

So tell us.....

What is so critical for salvation and maturity in Christ that the Holy Spirit neglected to include in Scripture that the Catholic church deems it necessary to teach it as truth?

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “You are still left with the idea that 1/3 of the Godhead died.” <<
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And don’t forget that they sneak behind each other’s backs and do things independently!

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[metmom]

Must you repent if you fall into sin after being saved?

Or what?

Could you clarify why you are asking this question?

Is it because that you think that if you don't repent, you go to hell? Lose your salvation?

Repent of specific sins?

Then I'd be happy to address the other questions. I just want to make sure that we're starting out speaking the same language cause the other questions are connected to it.

[metmom]

Probably.......

[metmom]

So you do not live by every word that comes from the mouth of God. The scripture doesn’t say written, or important, or necessary. It says ‘every word’. So if you disregard words that are not written in the bible, you are not following the bible.

OK, so what other verifiable sources are there for Holy Spirit inspired, God breathed communication from God?

[metmom]

Or, “Call no man on earth *Father*”.

[metmom]

Then you should believe in the words of Jesus: “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you”

Apparently, belief can be selective, and one can ignore the words of Jesus that they don’t agree with.

Selective belief. Like when Jesus says that the Spirit gives life the flesh is no help at all. The words He spoke were Spirit and life.

Or maybe *Call no man "Father"*.

Or living forever? Where are there 2,000 year old Catholics walking the earth?

[metmom]

That’s the best I’ve been able to figure out.

[metmom]

Would you please refer to my post 784, where I wrote the following, and stop saying I believe God died? Your comments prompted to rethink that, okay?

Well, here in post 770, you did say that thing.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3250321/posts?page=770#770

I believe Christ is at once God and man. And I believe that it was necessary for Christ to die in His divinity in order to redeem us from our sins.

[CynicalBear]

And priests, and popes and...... The amount of non scriptural beliefs, rituals, vestments and other parts of Catholicism should give anyone pause.

[CynicalBear]

It’s really sad how they paint themselves into a corner and have no idea they did. I’m still waiting the hear who’s sins Mary died for.

[CynicalBear]

Somewhat in his defence he did say he was rethinking that but then keeps insisting on calling Mary “the mother of God” as if the man/God nature of Christ is inseparable which indicates he’s not rethinking that at all. The “re thinking” comment seems to just be a screen to hide behind.

[deputytess]

Our Lady is indeed the Mother of God. She bore Him, she raised Him, she taught Him. She supports His continued mission on Earth serving as mentor, mediator and messenger.

[terycarl]

What part of *A-L-L* do you not understand?

A-L-L of Christ's words count like"take and eat of this THIS IS MY BODY"...easy to understand for those who believe...

[delchiante]

Wiki was for your benefit,.

The concordance definition of moed is clear..

So was Satan’s desire to be worshipped like god,,

And news flash.. it goes on today in every religion..
Even Judaism..

And that is the final battle in revelation.. worship..

Who, when and how we worship..
Just because Rome says they changed the Sabbath to Sunday doesn’t make their calendar right...

It still is a counterfeit..

I asked, sought and knocked... He showed me what a new moon was... in scripture... and in His sky.. and I haven’t looked back..

That is why I will be resting and worshipping, albeit privately, on His Sabbath tomorrow..

It is a journey... and one that has allowed me to know genuine Truth..
I know how important His Sabbath is..
And that is why I asked, sought and knocked.

It is after all the only command that begins with Remember.

And to be fair, it is hard to remember if it hasn’t been taught.. or has been hidden behind counterfeit calendars that Rome has peddled since they were an empire.

Roman, Julian and now the pope Gregory calendar.. times they have been a changin...

Those first reformers had no trouble pegging Rome and the papacy as the seat of Antichrist..
That was before there ever was a pope named calendar that the world uses for work and worship,.

[terycarl]

Do you read minds?

????????pointing out that the postal service misdirects mail does NOT take a mindreader....besides, it was funny...

[Mark17]

If I were grading them, they would get an F.

😄😇🎯

[terycarl]

There’s not a person on this planet that is a free and independent entity.

again, you should have paid FAR closer attention in religion class.......of course there was that guy in the third row.....never mind!!