Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer
I thought you might like that. 😇
When you get a medical xray, a number is assigned to the xray. Are you worried about that?
Yet Catholicism demands belief that Mary is the “mother of God”.
The Roman Catholic Church does hold that Mary is the mother of God, and most Catholics and some other Christians believe this.
And there are Christians, some of whom are Catholic, who do not believe that Mary is the mother of God.
This has been and will most likely continue to be a point of contention on this Forum.
It is true that Mary is not called the “Mother of God” anywhere in Scripture. It is also true that the Triune Godhead, God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, has no mother.
But if the Son is willing to come down from heaven and be born of woman, it seems that He would also be willing to consider that woman to be His mother while He was on earth. For this reason only can Mary be called the mother of God.
I have not seen a good reason put forward as to why the incarnate Son of God would not consider Mary to be His mother.
The Trinity is a good place to start.
I believe the following about the Trinity (from the Creed in the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer):
“We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.”
“We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made.
“We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets.”
I further believe that our Lord, Jesus Christ, true God from true God, of one Being with the Father, came down from heaven by the power of the Holy Spirit, became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
In other words, God came down from heaven and was made man from the Virgin Mary.
The Father was not made man. The Holy Spirit was not made man yet proceeds from the Son and the Father. It was only the Son that was made man.
It is true that Mary is not called the “Mother of God” anywhere in Scripture. It is also true that the Triune Godhead, God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, has no mother. But if the Son is willing to come down from heaven and be born of woman, it seems that He would also be willing to consider that woman to be His mother while He was on earth. For this reason only can Mary be called the mother of God.
If the term "mother of God" were correct and appropriate those would have been the words he Holy Spirit would have had used. He didn't. Catholics may want to take the hint.
So you believe in one God yet part of that God died on the cross and another part of that God raised the part of God that died from the dead? Have I got the right?
If the term “mother of God” were correct and appropriate those would have been the words he Holy Spirit would have had used. He didn’t. Catholics may want to take the hint.
There are many terms that the Holy Spirit did not put in Scripture. One of them is “Jesus is God.” Yet we still believe that Jesus is God.
If I were grading them, they would get an F.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Did you miss that, dismiss that, Allagorize that, or simply ignore that?
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/88.htm
Hey elsie, here is a link to the book of jasher. A book referenced in our holy bible.
Verse 14 says that the march began on the 1st day of the month.
Using the template God gave Ezekiel in Ezekiel 46, new moon day, six work days,
The seventh day of every one of God’s months is a work day. The 8th day is the Sabbath.
That is why Israel did not violate the Sabbath first thing out f the wilderness..
New moon is a day that was a worship day in scripture. It is only one in the 7th month this day and age..
People accept Rome’ timekeeping because it is all they were ever taught... well, Israel was taught His timekeeping for 40 years in the wilderness..
We may not have 40 years..
New moon day - 1st day of month
Six work days- days 2-7 of month
Weekly Sabbath- day 8 of month
It would then make the 15th, 22nd and 29th day as Sabbaths.
It isn’t an accident those feasts in Leviticus that start on the 15th begin with a sabbath, holy convocation.
He has that built into His calendar.
The first sabbath Israel observed was after 6 days of manna. That started on the 16th day in exodus (exodus 16 I think)
15th day of 2nd month
16th- manna
17- manna
18 manna
19 manna
20 manna
21 6th day of manna
22th day no manna Sabbath
It is under the surface of the bible. And like I state earlier, it was the exact calendar or savior followed with His major life events..
People tend to focus on laws changed.,. Time itself has changed..
That is why with confidence I call today His 6th day of His week and tomorrow is His Sabbath..
And observing this calendar is not possible if you depend on the world..
They will look at you like you are crazy.. or at least peculiar.. I simply call it sola scriptura
So you believe in one God yet part of that God died on the cross and another part of that God raised the part of God that died from the dead? Have I got the right?
Would you please refer to my post 784, where I wrote the following, and stop saying I believe God died? Your comments prompted to rethink that, okay?
No I don’t have it down pat. That’s why I have so many questions. And it is by no means intended to be an inquisition. Your response: “The Son, the second Person of the Trinity, left the body He temporarily inhabited on Earth, but His divine nature did not die, nor could it,” gives me something to ponder. It was necessary for Christ to suffer these things and enter into His glory, but maybe it was sufficient for Christ to die in his human form to redeem us from our sins.
I am gentile that understands God’s calendar.
I have never lived in a tent or has to wear one of beanies unless I went to a bar mitzvah for one of my Jewish schoolmates years ago.
I have never been more free
Nor closer to my Savior..
I was a slave of conformity when I called today after some false god, Wooden..like I suspect most of the English speaking world does..
Woden.. tomorrow for a more recognizable god named Thor.
My heart has been circumcised. And I love honoring He that made heaven, earth the seas and fountains of water.
But most will honor wooden or Thor or friya or Saturn or the sun or moon..
And they don’t even know they are conformed to the rudiments of the world..
Praise Yah He has renewed my mind..
It is a journey and love that He will bless us for choices that focus on Him..
It isn’t love if you have to do it.. it is love when you want to do it..
>>For this reason only can Mary be called the mother of God.<<
If Mary is the "mother of God" and that Son died on the cross and the man/God persona cannot be separated then God the Son died on that cross. Now, we only have two options. Either the "one true God" can be separated or the man/God nature of Jesus can be separated.
We also have another consideration. Jesus said "my God, my God why have you forsaken me". If the man/God nature of Jesus cannot be separated was God forsaking part of God?
Are you getting a sense of how the term "mother of God" can not be used without coming into problems with the rest of scripture?
Like metmom keeps showing. Scripture uses the term "mother of Jesus" and does so for a reason.
Did you miss that, dismiss that, Allagorize that, or simply ignore that?
None of the above. I believe that, even though the words “Jesus is God” appears nowhere in Scripture.
In the same way, the following is why I believe Mary is the “Mother of God” even though those words appear nowhere in Scripture.
Luke 1:28-35 And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.” But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
Today is His 6th day. Tomorrow is His Sabbath..
Not sure you looked up the oword moed in your concordance..
Not sure you would like to see the exact word used in Isaiah detailing Satan wanting to sit on the mount of ‘ Moed’ - Isa 14:13
In that place, moed meant congregation..
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moed.
Since you like NASA for info, I will use wiki to show you what the modern world calls ‘moed’
Here is one from an online concordance.
http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/4150.html
If you still want to think in terms of fall, winter, spring summer I can’t help you..
And maybe in light of what Isaiah says about Satan and the despire to be worshipped and to steal worship, changing times and laws (like the calendar) he can accomplish his goal to have people working when Yah says rest and worship and rest and worship when Yah says work.
But hey, you are welcome to chiun worship on Saturdays..
I don’t doubt that has happened.. and he has used Rome as he vessel
And all the word wonders after the beast..
Either the “one true God” can be separated or the man/God nature of Jesus can be separated.
Luke 1:28-35 shows that the three persons in one God can act independent of each other. That is the concept of the Trinity; three persons in one God. Mary conceives and bears the Son. The Holy Spirit came upon her and the Most High overshadowed her.
It is also revealed in the baptism of the Lord. Jesus is walking out of the water, the Spirit comes to rest over Him in the form of a dove, and the Father speaks from the heavens.
The Son can call out to the Father on the cross. But we know that the Father did not truly forsake the Son.
Why then do you believe Jesus is God???
And still the Holy Spirit did not use the words “mother of God”. The term “mother of God” is of HUMAN construct based on HUMAN logic.
You are still left with the idea that 1/3 of the Godhead died.
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Your deviance from the word is leading down a very dark path.
His Sabbath is not to be tampered with.
Being a Wikipedophile is risky too.
You can’t help anyone! You are in serious need of help.
And by the way, Isaiah 14 has absolutely nothing to do with the Sabbath; it speaks to the future casting out of Satan (soon to come to a neighborhood near you...)
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