Posted on 12/14/2014 5:26:28 PM PST by ebb tide
[Q:] In the case of divorcees who have remarried, we posed the question, what do we do with them? What door can we allow them to open? This was a pastoral concern: will we allow them to go to Communion?
Ping
The way many states in the US have written their divorce laws one spouse can file for divorce and the other spouse can not stop it.
Assuming there was no sin, as the church sees it, attached to them, would the reluctant spouse still be denied the sacrament of marriage and other duties within the Roman Catholic church? Why?
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This, too, shall pass.
Divorce alone isn't the issue.
I find it interesting that the Catholic church claims that taking communion is essential for salvation and yet denies divorced and remarried people to take communion.
That is essentially and effectively damning them.
So then what does the church propose they do? Add another divorce to the situation? Force them to remain single?
And if the divorce was against their will (because of no fault) are they forced into a single existence for the rest of their lives?
Whatever happened to forgiveness?
Jesus was the only one eligible to cast the first stone at the woman caught in adultery and what did HE do?
I find it interesting that you take so much interest in a religion that you have left.
Guilty feelings?
Incorrect
Nope. Not a bit.
Grateful to be free in Christ.
OK, so nobody has to take communion to be saved.
Then how does Jesus enter a person’s life according to Catholicism, if not by eating Him?
Free? Really? How free are you without Sacraments?
Leads one to wonder, then, about all the hit pieces against Protestantism, especially by former Prots.
Must be a guilty conscience.
Otherwise, why would they bother with a religion they have left?
Show me where Jesus taught that being subject to sacraments or any other religious duty was *freedom*.
I am free because I am in Christ and all HIS righteousness has been credited to my account, so I am not obligated to obey a Law that nobody can obey anyway and cannot save even if they could.
First of all, what sacraments do you acknowledge?
No debits in that "account "of yours that could outweigh the credit?
What is this "Law" that nobody can obey? Marital fidelity?
Think nothing of it...I’d never been stopped until my late 30’s! A cop was behind me with falshing lights that I thought was trying to get by me but I couldn’t pull off as there was a revine there....so I just kept driving until in a clearing and expected him to then pass me by....he didn’t... so I finally pulled off having no idea what was happening or why.
Apparently there was a school zone aways back in a little village I was going 40 in a 35 mile area. You’re thru that village in one blink!
Given that Our Lord said that divorce and remarriage was adultery, and that St. Paul says that he who partakes of the Eucharist unworthily does so to his condemnation, I simply don’t understand how it is possible logically to say that communion for divorced and remarried is solely disciplinary. It seems rather obvious to me that it is mixed disciplinary and doctrinal issue. Am I just being obtuse, or are the Kasperites simply playing Marxist/Alinskyite word games to confuse the faithful?
I pray that Mr. Dyspeptic is wrong — I don’t think we can know what will happen until we have the final resulting Apostolic Exhortation based on next year’s Synod final report. Hopefully, the Pope will in the end support moral orthodoxy like Bl. Paul VI did with Humanae Vitae.
In any event, I honestly don’t see this as a big issue. If you are in this situation, then either take to heart the words of Christ and live like brother and sister and take communion, or else don’t take communion and wait until old age when you can live like brother and sister anyway, and seek the graces available through spiritual communion and the like. And the pooh poohing of spiritual communion is ridiculous. Obviously it is not the same thing as physical communion, so it is not as full a channel of grace as the latter, but it should impart some measure of grace into the soul that seeks it. It’s going to be a long and nerve-wracking year coming up.
Sacraments are channels of grace and glorious gifts from Our Lord. It is not a question of being “subject to” them.
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