Posted on 12/09/2014 4:05:28 PM PST by bad company
I did get to debate him over coffee one night. Great fun. I am an old school LCMS Lutheran, and read theology and history for fun.
Started with the 7 Councils (which he thought were not binding) and gave up around Gregory the Great if I remember. The priest is convinced he is right, and more compassionate than “fundamentalists”.
My bride thought it was very funny.
She now attends a church in the Peoria diocese. The priest there isn't a bit of an odd fish, but very orthodox and caring (he likes to restore late 70’s Jaguar's).
“The issue that my bride ran into (and I think it is common on Catholicism) is that the laity have very limited recourse in situations like this.”
That is one of the main, let us say practical, differences between Orthodox and Latin ecclesiology.
Sacred Meal is pretty far down on the list of things the Catholic Mass is. Aren’t you forgetting Somebody?
One of the things that has always fascinated me is the split of ecclesiology that happened after the Western Empire fell apart and my ancestors wandered in to pick up the pieces.
The East had a strong Empire during this time frame, though the Church was present outside its borders as well. The West had no real Empire till Charlamange decided to play lets pretend, so the Pope could consolidate power easily.
I often wonder what might have happened has Belisarus been successful in retaking and then holding the Roman West. The germanic tribes coming in were not all opposed to the Empire, many had served in it and quite a few had risen in the ranks to positions of respect and power.
Would the West’s ecclesiology gone the path similar to Russian Orthodox? Was a form of Papal supremacy going to happen because of the language barrier no matter what? Just things of which I amuse myself with.
Kolokotronis: The author is a convert priest from Anglicanism. They are an odd bunch, so many of these convert priests. They carry terrible baggage into Orthodoxy with them. They know all the rules, or what they think are rules, but sadly and even after many years, never come to understand Orthodoxy or our Orthodox phronema. Its not magical thinking, its our mindset, our particular worldview.
[sarcasm]The heretic! Interpreting the church fathers "literally" when the ordinary laymen of the world know that they were just espousing the mistaken science of their time!
This idiot should never have been allowed to convert. He may not even believe in evolution! He must be excommunicated!!![/sarcasm]
HIS Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity ARE the the Sacred Meal, the "Somebody." If you were Catholic you would know that.
God bless you.
Convert disease.
Convert disease? Interesting phrase which I have not previously heard, but from your post it seems to refer to a concept I come across quite often in the Catholic Church. Cradle believers very often see converts as being somehow less tuned into the proper way of thinking. I have never found this to be so personally. Though I did work for a time with a born and raised Italian Catholic woman who once told me that we, meaning Catholics, definitely do not believe that Jesus is God. She seemed pretty tuned in for certain. It has always struck me as a rather comforting thought that cradle believers are somehow a little better than those who have often given up so much in the world to be in the Church, but it must be short lived. After all, at some point it is likely to occur to people that the apostles were all converts.
You seem to think the Mass is all about you. You’re wrong.
The Mass is a Holy Sacrifice — a word missing from your post, I believe — offered to the Father. It’s the Mass even if no one is there but the priest.
You've decided to interpret what I wrote in the worst possible way. I've obviously not going to get anywhere with you. So be it. I won't bother you any more.
God bless you and yours.
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