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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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To: verga

Just the intense level of attack on those that present the strong evidence in artifacts that support Biblical accounts should be sufficient proof!

You can almost feel the hate radiating off of the monitor screen.
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221 posted on 11/25/2014 8:46:09 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: redleghunter

Arguing with an unbeliever is like arguing with the wind.

They’ll spend their time declaring the gift false, rather than examining the gift.
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222 posted on 11/25/2014 8:52:58 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: verga

Long and drawn out, but truly excellent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ubKUip6pz0


223 posted on 11/25/2014 8:54:54 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: terycarl

“no it doesn’t.”

You do realize that the concept of evolution did not exist until a couple of centuries ago, right? It’s simply impossible for any doctrine containing elements of evolution to be unchanged from the time of Christ.


224 posted on 11/25/2014 8:59:35 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: 21twelve

“Being resurrected is just as impossible as Creation is. So if I believe in the resurrection, it isn’t much of a stretch to believe in Creation.”

It seems to me the converse is also true. By that I mean, if the creation seems too far-fetched for one to believe, how much faith can they really have in the resurrection?


225 posted on 11/25/2014 9:08:47 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: ravenwolf

“I think it is reasonable to believe that Adam was not in the sixt5h day creation but later.”

The sixth day was the last day of creation, so there was no later, as far as that goes.


226 posted on 11/25/2014 9:24:30 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

The sixth day was the last day of creation, so there was no later, as far as that goes.


I think the Bible tells us that God rested on the seventh day and it was only after that that he made Adam from the dirt.

If we say we are to take the word of God literally shouldn’t we take that into consideration?


227 posted on 11/25/2014 9:32:06 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: ravenwolf

“The sixth day was the last day of creation, so there was no later, as far as that goes.”

Bullcrap! That was NOT end of creation, because we are created in God’s image and we never stop creating as long as we exist...

Oh by the way Christians are eternal beings just like God, it’s just a matter of where we spend that time and how long. God did not quit creating with the sixth day, that is NOT in the Bible.


228 posted on 11/25/2014 9:38:25 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: editor-surveyor
I found this one just before I looked at your response. I will have to view it at home later.

Not trying to do a thread Hijack here, but I used to have the LDS come to my house on a regular basis back up north.

I asked them where the proof was of this huge battle that took place. I told them that there was evidence in the Red sea of Moses crossing and that this took place near the same time according to the LDS. None could ever give me an answer.

229 posted on 11/25/2014 9:42:32 AM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: Kackikat

Bullcrap! That was NOT end of creation,


That’s right, other wise why don`t it say that God made Adam on the sixth day? but it don`t.

If we take the Bible literally we can see that Adam was made after the six day creation because there was no man to till the ground even though every thing including man was already made.


230 posted on 11/25/2014 9:49:30 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: ravenwolf

“I think the Bible tells us that God rested on the seventh day and it was only after that that he made Adam from the dirt.”

No, if you read Genesis 1, we are told that man was created on day 6. Chapter 2 tells us HOW He did it.


231 posted on 11/25/2014 9:55:52 AM PST by Diapason
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To: ravenwolf

Adam and Eve only had to raise their own food because they sinned....if they had not sinned we would all still be living in the Garden of Eden, no work, no hate, no problems....However, Lucifer (in the snake) the greatest angel ever created...deceived Eve and Adam (not deceived but to please the woman) did as the snake said, because they decided NOT to believe God when he said not to eat from the tree ‘of the knowledge of good and evil’.

Man still refuses to trust or believe God, and things just keep getting worse. The devil keeps talking and they keep doing, just like Ferguson last night. Those arrested last night are repenting today, but the consequences of those court dates, fines, and jail will still remain.


232 posted on 11/25/2014 9:56:26 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: ravenwolf
"So it took generations according to verse 4 but was counted as one day."

The word that is translated as "generations" in Genesis does not mean what you seem to think it means. It is not referring to an era of time. The word in question is "towlĕdah", which means:

I. descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies

   A. account of men and their descendants

      i. genealogical list of one's descendants

      ii. one's contemporaries

      iii. course of history (of creation etc)

   B. begetting or account of heaven (metaph)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H8435&t=KJV

233 posted on 11/25/2014 10:04:42 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Diapason

No, if you read Genesis 1, we are told that man was created on day 6. Chapter 2 tells us HOW He did it.


That is also possible, but in chapter two it also points out that it was generations and not literal days so either way I think we need to admit we can not be certain.


234 posted on 11/25/2014 10:06:18 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Boogieman
It is not referring to an era of time. The word in question is "towlĕdah", which means: ---------------------------------------------------- I also looked it up in the dictionary and got something altogether opposite of your definition.
235 posted on 11/25/2014 10:09:34 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Boogieman
It is not referring to an era of time. The word in question is "towlĕdah", which means: ---------------------------------------------------- I also looked it up in the dictionary and got something altogether opposite of your definition.
236 posted on 11/25/2014 10:10:03 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“Genesis is not written symbolically, nor as parable, nor poetry, etc.”

Indeed, the Bible usually very clearly delineates those sections. When Jesus tells a parable, the Bible says something like “and then Jesus told them the parable of ...”, or a postscript is attached explaining that the story was a parable. When the prophets see a vision, they wrote down stuff like “and then the Angel of the Lord showed me a vision of ...”. So we are not left to wonder what parts of the Bible are symbolic or allegorical, although that is what the Biblical fantasists would like.


237 posted on 11/25/2014 10:41:55 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: verga

“I am a Catholic Roman rite. The First Christians.”

I hate to break it to you, but the first Christians didn’t worship in Latin.


238 posted on 11/25/2014 10:45:45 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: boatbums

“though we hear of women giving birth to multiples all the time...”

Not to invalidate your main point, but this is mainly due to the rise of fertility treatments. It’s still very rare to have multiple births through natural conception.


239 posted on 11/25/2014 10:47:54 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: verga

I think it is something else, not intellectual, but emotional. They want to avoid shame.

If you say you believe in the creation account of Genesis nowadays, the world will mock you for it, and for those that are of the world, and value the praise of the world more than the praise of God, they will feel foolish and ashamed because of that mockery. So, only those who are able to put aside their worldly pride are going to want to endure that.


240 posted on 11/25/2014 10:56:57 AM PST by Boogieman
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