Mayor Thomas Menino’s Funeral Held in Boston

Boston.com ^ | November 3, 2014 9:00 AM | By Jack Pickell

[Arthur McGowan]

Yes. We do know.

He never issued a public repudiation of his support for abortion, sodomy, and other grave evils.

A REAL Catholic priest would have required this as a condition of absolution.

However, Boston has plenty of Mafia priests.

Unfortunately, even Dr. Edward Peters holds that the mere presence of one of these Mafia priests around the time of death constitutes “some sign of repentance.”

[Arthur McGowan]

Though today they are not subject to the penalty of anathema since this penalty no longer exists...

You quoted the above, from Jimmy Akin, in order to prove that anathemas still exist!

[daniel1212]

Were we talking about who is, and isn't, "officially anathematized," or about what some Freeper RC's "imagine"?

We were basically talking about interpretation, which the issue of being "officially anathematized" is a matter of. At least one RC here, as well as elsewhere, holds that Trent anathematizes every Prot, while others, like David Mac, hold that the anathemas never applied to non-Catholics. - http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/anathemas.htm

And the "Responses of the Catholic Church to the Joint Declaration, Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity," stated,

it remains difficult to see how, in the current state of the presentation given in the Joint Declaration, we can say that this doctrine on "simul iustus et peccator" is not touched by the anathemas of the Tridentine decree on original sin and justification. - http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PCPULUTH.HTM

Dave Armstrong states that

Note that the Tridentine anathemas are still true and binding from a Catholic perspective. But in some cases what they condemned were not orthodox (confessional) Lutheran or Calvinist beliefs. This is the issue being discussed among scholars. - http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/01/catholic-understanding-of-anathemas-of.html

But he disagrees with some other RCs about what anathemas mean and their scope. Of course, some RCs as yourself seem to believe that Luther held "saving faith is merely believing that Christ saved you," versus trusting Christ to save on His expense and merit, which faith must be the kind that effects works if it is salvific.

To late to think much more on this. Bless God.

[BlueDragon]

Those are two entirely different things.

Yeah sure,

Entirely different, just like creamed corn (in the can) is entirely different than whole kernel corn (in the can).

[piusv]

The penalty of anathema was removed from canon law in 1983. You're only 31 years late.

Oh, yet another change in the Canon Law of New Church of Political Correctness. I didn't know that. Thank you.

[Biggirl]

....Unless they are politics, as in this case, they can simply waltz, or in the case of the late former Maryor of Boston, be brought in, no questions asked.

[kearnyirish2]

I understand I have sacramental obligations, but my financial relationship with the Church ended years ago. They can cater to these evil politicians, but they won’t be paid by me to do so.

Since they have strayed so far from the True Faith, they are now too often just a business - so they can solicit deposits elsewhere.

[Alex Murphy]

You quoted the above, from Jimmy Akin, in order to prove that anathemas still exist!

I quoted Akin in order to prove that the reason for the anathemas still exist. Just because the Catholic church seeks to emulate Eric Holder doesn't equate to the law being revoked.

[Arthur McGowan]

But the law WAS revoked.

[Arthur McGowan]

I hope you give to worthy charities, whether Catholic or not. Like the Little Sisters of the Poor.

Certainly, NO ONE should give to any of the many pro-abortion bishops, O’Malley, Dolan, Wuerl, Gomez, etc.

[Alex Murphy]

But the law WAS revoked.

I respectfully disagree. The penalty, generally speaking, was revoked. The church has not revoked their doctrines, which were offered as the reason for the anathema (see esp. the Sixth Session's pronouncements on Justification by Faith Alone).

[Arthur McGowan]

All I’m saying is that anathemas no longer exist in canon law.

That is a fact.

Whether this should have happened is a separate question, which I have said nothing about.

[kearnyirish2]

If I’m saddled with debt, and hoping to pay for groceries with cash instead of credit cards, I don’t need to be giving to anybody else. The government uses part of my income to feed, clothem house, and school many people who couldn’t be bothered to do it for themselves.

I separated the American Church from charity a long time ago; politically, they’re too generous with my money.

[daniel1212]

Others disagree, and canon law can and does change and is not infallible, whereas Trent is held to be. All of which shows how Rome can interpreter herself.