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Why would anyone become Catholic?
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Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: Mrs. Don-o
None of this pertains to the papacy per se. This is a wardrobe issue. The pope would be the pope, were he dressed as a Tiberian fisherman; or dressed as an Appian shepherd; or dressed as Solomon in all his glory; or "dressed" as a blind, naked beggar wandering the nuclear ruins of post-caliphate Europe. The truth pertains to the inside, not the outside.

I rather doubt that...Without the multi-million dollar cathedrals, the gold, tapestries, paintings, the pomp and especially the religious garb, there would be very little appeal to your religion...

1,041 posted on 10/12/2014 9:56:17 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: terycarl; Gamecock
Satan accepts and knows exactly who Jesus is.

Gamecock, another one for you list.

1,042 posted on 10/12/2014 9:57:18 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear; Mrs. Don-o
CB >The Greek word for "full" is plérés. Kecharitomene does NOT indicate "full". That Greek word for " full" (plérés) is used in the New Testament as having to do with grace but NEVER about Mary. It is used here: Acts 6:8 Now Stephen, a man full of God's grace and power, performed great wonders and signs among the people.

We have direct Greek words declaring Stephen "full of Grace" but not for Mary. Catholics don't declare Stephen sinless yet he is the only one clearly declared "full of grace".

Then you used the term "Panagia" a Greek word meaning "all holy". Really? Mary is " all holy"?

1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

And we have no account in the NT of panagia ever being applied to Mary. It is another failed attempt by the roman cult to elevate Mary to something the Bible doesn't accord to her.

The use of the Greek destroys a lot of the claims the roman cultists make about Mary not supported by Scripture.

1,043 posted on 10/12/2014 10:02:28 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: CynicalBear
I think we are seeing the lack of “infallibility” in the Catholic Church in the current meeting they are having.

That begs the question of what constitutes an infallible Church teaching.

1,044 posted on 10/12/2014 10:10:23 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Rides_A_Red_Horse
What an incredibly perverse and twisted use of scripture. The "veneration" of relics is no where implied or inferred in those verses.
1,045 posted on 10/12/2014 10:12:25 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: Al Hitan; CynicalBear; narses; Salvation
“Just like a ‘Right Wing’ Evangelical?”

Intriguing!

1,046 posted on 10/12/2014 10:16:34 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear

Should we despise relics,then?

Acts 19:12

so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.


1,047 posted on 10/12/2014 10:22:28 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Iscool; Mrs. Don-o; caww; CynicalBear; metmom
This knowledge was revealed to Peter and the others alowing them to accept and reject souls into the Kingdom based on revealed knowledge from above...

How blessed it is to put your faith upon Jesus, and Jesus alone!

Why would anyone seek after Mary, Peter or any other human authority?

1,048 posted on 10/12/2014 10:23:31 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: daniel1212
>>The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it. .”<<

How utterly blasphemous!

1,049 posted on 10/12/2014 10:25:48 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: af_vet_1981; boatbums
>we can go to the expert Greek and Hebrew scholars' publications and see what words were actually used from the start.<

There are several problems with this approach 1.Except one is using the same translation all the time for a particular language, or except one (still) dreams in the original language(s), which it seems to me only a few of us here do, one is reduced to a couch ensconced sports fan, as it were, composing a fantasy team to assist oneself in forming doctrine in the National Polemics League.

2.It seems to me that this also opens up the question of whether the Textus Receptus and it's English KJV is the inspired words of the Holy Spirit, which I had thought the traditional Protestant, Fundamentalist, while perhaps not Evangelical (that team is free agent all the way) persuasions.

3.It seems to be one should use the same translation for a native tongue, except your Hebrew and Greek are flawless, and be consistent. Do not cherry-pick translations to argue doctrine.

If one uses the Greek a lot of catholic teachings, especially those on mary, fall apart quickly. Perhaps this is why I've rarely seen any catholic on this blog refer to the Greek. It's usually the catechism or a handful of verses the catholic has learned, usually out of context, to attempt to illustrate their point.

I do agree that the translation one uses influences their take on the Scripture. For this reason I rely upon the 4th Edition United Bible Societies for the Greek and NASB for English. The USB is recognized for its scholarly accuracy while the NASB is the closet word for word translation currently available.

Greek scholars such as Mounce, Wallace, and others have forgotten more Greek than I'll ever learn. Having completed two seminary level Greek classes has really opened a deeper meaning of the NT.

1,050 posted on 10/12/2014 10:25:49 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

The Catholic Church sure didn’t take that to heart did they.


1,051 posted on 10/12/2014 10:27:22 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: Al Hitan

Catholics do like adding words don’t they.


1,052 posted on 10/12/2014 10:28:53 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: Springfield Reformer
"The first hint of panagia as a Marian title came in Origen's work, middle of the third century, and wasn't adopted in any official sense until about the eighth century. "

I think a weakness of this "first hint, whoa, the third century, must be an innovation!" reaction is the assumption that if the first writings we have in print are from 250 AD, it must have been invented by the writer in 250 AD.

That is dubious on the face of it. Consider that the term "Trinity" wasn't used until about that time ---- mid-third century, Tertullian --- and the term "Incarnation" with its precise definition wasn't hammered out officially until 100 years after that, at Nicaea, and was still being refined as late as the Council of Chalcedon in 451.

The art and inscriptions concerning Mary found in the Catacombs of Priscilla date, as well, from the mid-third century They show what the Christian martyrs in the Coliseum held dear and certain, what they were willing to die for. This tells us, not only Christian doctrine, but Christian culture.

It would be foolish to say that the earliest Christians did not, on the basis of Apostolic testimony, believe in the Trinity or in the Incarnation. As you surely know, the spark-plugs of conflict and controversy are historically instrumental in getting the engine of definition and doctrine moving: one does not define a commonly-accepted doctrine with elaborate precision unless somebody has been challenging or denying it. The challenger raises his arguments, and then the Church is forced by the crisis of the situation to refine its terms to defend the Truth which was first received centuries earlier, and preserve the Unity of the Church.

Second, Origin was writing at a time of blistering controversy, in which anything that seemed dicey would have been grist for the polemical mill. If anybody thought "Panagia" was heretical, I'm sure Jerome, Ambrose, Eusebius, Demetrius of Alexandria, or any of his other Alexandrian or Cappadocian critics would have blown the whistle on him. But they didn't.

This is not the say that everything Origen wrote was orthodox. Not at all. It IS to say that we can get a pretty good idea of what was serenely received as unexceptionable, and what was not. A sheer innovation would never have been considered "unexceptionable" if it created some sort of interference pattern with the sensus fidelium (if you will permit me a physics analogy) -- not when there were so many there to debate it.

1,053 posted on 10/12/2014 10:29:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (“The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” - Flannery O'Connor)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; CynicalBear

Acts 19:12

so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.


So when did you start carrying around skulls and severed hands?

Oh! Hand = handkerchiefs! It all makes sense now!

Whats next, boiling the skulls to make stock for Saint Soup?


1,054 posted on 10/12/2014 10:29:12 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

-— So when did you start carrying around skulls and severed hands? -—

Is that what Catholics do?


1,055 posted on 10/12/2014 10:31:35 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
First of all Peter was there with them. Second, where did that translate to mutilation and desecration of human remains? Is cannibalism of the so called saints next?
1,056 posted on 10/12/2014 10:39:16 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Regarding Mary....were all of the ECFs in 100% agreement in their writings on Mary?


1,057 posted on 10/12/2014 10:44:16 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Springfield Reformer

What your so called “early Christians” did is immaterial. Already in Paul’s day we see “Chrrlistians” going off track where he chastized them and corrected them.


1,058 posted on 10/12/2014 10:44:51 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: CynicalBear
Catholics do like adding words don’t they.

One person does something, so extrapolate it to all Catholics like to do it.
Typical.

1,059 posted on 10/12/2014 10:47:38 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Heart-Rest; Springfield Reformer
If that is accurate and true, that sounds even more like Jesus was guaranteeing Peter infallibility in all his "binding", if every thing Peter was to bind on earth had already been bound by God.

To add to SR's analysis, a broader context might also be applied: This same malformation of authority and infallibility was present in Temple Judaism and among the Pharisees, who, if Yeshua is Messiah, were found to be stone-dead-wrong... Not only were they without authority (as Yeshua demonstrated), but they, by that very fact alone (with many other examples noted) were found to be notably fallible.

To assume today what was proven untrue then is a grievous mistake.

1,060 posted on 10/12/2014 10:48:54 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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