Here's a picture of the Prime Minister of Australia bowing before Queen Elizabeth II. Does this mean she's worshipping the Queen?
Posted on 07/19/2014 3:22:50 PM PDT by markomalley
So Islam is based on the false arian teachings. Amazing.
In other words, stand up against false prophets and teachings.
“But Islam does hold both Jesus and Mary in high regard. The difference is that they believe that our regard for Jesus and Mary is blasphemous, as, an essential doctrine of Islam is that “God has no sons.”
Now I get to the understanding why there has been so much attacking against Christians in the Middle East. Because of the Muslims “false god”.
I would not be surprised if the ISIS faction is based on the wahhabis faction.
Catholics tell me that they don’t worship idols, but I cannot tell the difference between what it looks like they are doing and idol worship. I have never seen a Catholic worship service without Mary somewhere and in many cultures a large statue of Mary is periodically paraded around town on the shoulders of the locals. Their actions are consistent with Mary in the role of “Queen of Heaven”, and Mary as “intercessor”, neither of which I can find anywhere in Scripture.
Now, if Catholics were to throw away their images and statues that would be another matter, but I have never seen any hint they are interested in doing so. In fact, whenever this topic comes up, they get defensive instead. I can live with that if they will let me alone too, not unlike the secular Netroots Generation who just recently decided to descend upon Eden Foods because they don’t want to pay for abortifacients in their employee’s health insurance.
see:
https://www.facebook.com/BoycottEden
theBuckwheat:
Catholics are not “Iconoclastic heretics” as defined at the 2nd Council of Nicea in 787AD.
The Decrees of the 2nd Council of Nicea
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.xvi.xii.html
Here is P. Scaff’s introductory comments on the Council. Of course, many “Protest ants” question this council because it so clearly taught against their iconoclastic ideology of the 16th century.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.xvi.ii.html
As a Catholic, I will stick with this Council, along with the Eastern Orthodoxy and you can align yourself with the Mohammaden’s and their iconoclastic doctrines.
Here's a picture of the Prime Minister of Australia bowing before Queen Elizabeth II. Does this mean she's worshipping the Queen?
Ping.
Good news, more Muslims are coming to faith in Christ.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3182719/posts
Nope...these were not prayed to as Mary is in the Roman Catholic Church.
Big difference.
Of course the Pope prays to Mary.
I also pray to Mary.
But neither of us worships her.
Prayer is a part of worship.
No where in the Bible, which the ECFs and the RCC claims to be final authority, do we have any example, admonition, command, hint, suggestion, etc, to pray to Mary or elevate her to the status that the RCC has done.
I accept that Catholics don’t view what they do as idolatry, just as I accept that Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday. It doesn’t matter how many Catholic experts may be presented to tell me what Catholics believe. For my part, I evaluated the Scriptures and came to a different conclusion which regulates my private religious beliefs and practice.
Praying to Jesus' mother-- of course, that's permitted (and expected). It's just too obvious to be stated explicitly (except possibly as implied by one of the Ten Commandments). Perhaps the human authors of Scripture didn't anticipate anyone could be so blind as to not avail themselves of the opportunity.
Technically, it is an idol. But those muslims need to be defeated.
Yes, "Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness."
Scripture is one source of divine Revelation, along with Sacred Tradition (2 Thes 2:16). But evaluating Scripture on our own is difficult, and can even be dangerous, as Scripture attests.
"There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures." (2 Peter 3:16).I've never found a passage in Scripture that tells us to evaluate Scripture on our own to infallibly determine Christian doctrine.
An evaluation of history and Scripture tells me otherwise.
The lives of the Apostles, the eyewitness accounts of Jesus' miracles, the miracles associated with the Catholic Church, and the correspondence of the characteristics of the Catholic Church with the Church described by Paul and Christ, all tell me that Christ is who He claimed to be, and that the Catholic Church is His Church.
Given that, I accept that the Biblical writings, written, preserved and canonized by Christ's Church, contain God's divinely inspired Word.
I can then go to Scripture and see that Scripture reinforces these conclusions, and not Sola Scriptura.
"He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16)"if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." (1 Tim 3:15)
"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." (Mat 18:17)
This is a typical answer by catholics to justify the non-biblical teachings they espouse.
It doesn't even clearly tell me what prayers to say, much less exclude any particular entities who should not be the object of prayers.
Jesus did teach His disciples how to pray. To whom did He instruct us to pray to?
Praying to Jesus' mother-- of course, that's permitted (and expected).
Based exactly on what in the Bible?
If you attempt to appeal to the early church fathers you will find they are in contradiction on this and many other topics. Hence their writings are not what we should build our beliefs on.
It's just too obvious to be stated explicitly (except possibly as implied by one of the Ten Commandments).
There is nothing even hinted at in the Ten Commandments on praying to Mary.
There is however the prohibition of making an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth, you shall not worship them...
Perhaps the human authors of Scripture didn't anticipate anyone could be so blind as to not avail themselves of the opportunity.
Perhaps the human authors, guided by the Holy Spirit, knew not to include anything about praying/worshiping Mary as it was so obvious this was prohibited.
Catholic statues of Mary, however, are not idols, because Mary is not worshiped. Unless you're against all statuary art, including war memorials, gravestone sculptures, historic and patriotic statues in Washington DC,the Minuteman, Lincoln, the raising of the flag at Iwo Jim, etc., etc. you really have no reason to be against statues of Mary.
Define “idol.”
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