I didn't know that. Who is he then?
Posted on 05/11/2014 4:27:19 AM PDT by NYer
Where is your historical(emphasis on this word) proof?
I didn't know that. Who is he then?
How ironic that you wrapped your defense behind the skirt of the Jews - the very people who were given tepid support (at best) during the Holocaust by the Catholic church.
The real problem the Catholic church had then and now concerning the Jews and Israel is that the Catholic church then (and now) subscribes to Replacement Theology.
That was, and is, a very dangerous position. It mocks God's plan for His people, mocks his Covenants, and negates the clear role spelled out in Revelation for the Jews and Israel in the End Times, and through the Millennial Kingdom.
Did God make 2 covenants? There was nothing "replaced".
It is indeed Pope Pius XII, and a rather famous photo at that. Doesn’t have any context though.
Why don't you just look at a photo of Pius XII?
That's obviously not the same man. For one thing, he's a lot older.
It's Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the Papal Nuncio to Germany. The year was 1935. It was a diplomatic reception. Orsenigo was appointed by Pius XI, Pius XII's predecessor. Unfortunately he was an Italian Fascist and much too chummy with the Nazis.
Gary Krupp came across the evidence in a letter from a Jewish woman whose family was rescued thanks to direct Vatican intervention.“It is an unusual letter, written by a woman who is alive today in northern Italy, who said she was with her mother, her uncle, and a few other relatives in an audience with Pius XII in 1947.” Next to Pope Pius during the meeting was his Assistant Secretary of State, Monsignor Giovanni Montini, the future Pope Paul VI.
“Her uncle immediately looks at the Pope and he says, ‘You were dressed as a Franciscan,’ and looked at Montini who was standing next to him, ‘and you as a regular priest. You took me out of the ghetto into the Vatican.’ Montini immediately said, ‘Silence, do not ever repeat that story.’”
Indeed.
A number of places identify that as Pius. They do look alike but for the chin.
In any case, modern-day criticism of Pius XII is unwarranted. The leadership of American secular Jews didn’t do as much.
Pius XII was safely dead when Hochhuth wrote his play.
Ah, just read the bottom of your post. Thanks for that. However, posting a photo from a website that identifies it as the two men is not “false witness.”
Your prejudice is blinding you - as well as the other poster who made the obvious off-the-cuff misidentification.
The two men have completely different faces. But folks who hate Catholics and are anxious to slander a good, holy man are blind.
Why are you posting in CAPITOL LETTERS?
About the only similarity is that they're both dressed as cardinals.
Hope you never have to pick anybody out of a lineup!
Also . . . because I get irritated at people who make serious accusations without checking their facts.
You are basically helping spread an old Commie slander against a very good Pope who did all he could to help the Jews. Contemporary Jews, including Golda Meir, Albert Einstein, and the Chief Rabbi of Rome, praised him for his efforts. Twenty years later, a two-bit failed playwright, funded by the STASI, wrote a preposterous six-hour long play, and people take it as gospel.
The sad thing is that it was manufactured almost out of whole cloth by Hochhuth in 1963. People have taken it and run with it - most notably John Cornwell, who, however, has recanted most of his thesis set out in Hitler's Pope.
Cesare Orsenigo, Papal Nuncio to Germany
Having no divisions, and bearing some responsibility for many others’ safety based on his public pronouncements and behavior, Pius had few options that weren’t suicidal.
I’ll repeat: Secular American Jewish leadership’s kissing up to Roosevelt was cowardly in comparison to Pius’ actions.
In fact, Hitler ordered his capture but it did not go through because a number of German commanders were to say the least not keen on it. Admiral Canaris and Gen. Wolff were two who have been mentioned as sabotaging the plan.
But given that he ran a very real risk of death or capture, Pius XII's conduct was quite courageous - and he did save a large number of the Jewish community of Rome by direct action of the most practical kind.
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