Posted on 01/22/2014 9:30:46 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Matthew 7:
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
One does not cast out 'devils' without the Holy Spirit.
>> “Is it that those who are OSAS presume they will repent and confess all their future sins, or that this is not necessary?” <<
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That is the very essence of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. One must confess the sin when it is pointed out to you, not in your own good time, because you’ll never reach that good time.
Yes, the Gospels must be seen in the light of the cross and resurrection.
They SAID they cast out demons.
What they claimed and what they really did are two different matters.
You know this how?
It’s the case for anyone.
OK, so prove that they were appealing to working in the gifts of the Spirit when they appealed to their works to save them.
For that matter, if they really did do all those things, then why are they considered to have been those who persevered to the end?
Ooops, try again.....
For that matter, if they really did do all those things, then why aren’t they considered to have been those who persevered to the end?
That is a judgment of good and evil, not of sin. Two different topics.
2 different meanings.
Repentance is merely changing the object of our thinking process. It is done in the mind.
Confession involves communication from us to another party.
Think of it as clearing the chamber and recharging the weapon. We sin, we jamb our spiritual weapon. We repent, we clear the chamber. We confess our sins to Him through faith in Christ, we've cycled our spiritual mechanisms to be useful again.
They obviously did not persevere.
Had they actually had the Mikva that Peter called being “born again” they might have.
Jesus didn’t tell them that they had lost their salvation, but that He NEVER knew them.
They were never saved to begin with.
OSAS theology has some big problems. The problems are shown in the questions.
No, the questions don’t show a problem with the theology. they demonstrate a problem understanding it.
So, what are the problems you have with it?
That is a judgment of good and evil, not of sin.
"doing evil" isn't sin?
"according as he hath done" doesn't include sin?
I think your theology requires some gymnastics with scripture; I think this is one instance of this.
And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment..... For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that everyone may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.”
Nobody loses their salvation.
We don’d get saved until the end. Those that have persevered to the end, the same SHALL be saved.
Too many buy into a “sinner’s prayer” that is nowhere to be found in the word. No prayer saves anyone; the Mikva, (translated Baptism in Greek) which is a process of change and cleansing, and growth, which brings about a new state, which new state maintained through faith, to the end results in salvation at the last trump.
Again, as regards your theology of OSAS:
1) Does it presume that you will repent/confess all your future sins?
or
2) Are all your future sins already forgiven in all cases whether or not you repent/confess?
or
3) Are you saved at death without your future sins being forgiven and without “being cleansed from all unrighteousness”?
You had posted before that:
>>”only if we confess our sins “he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
but I’m not sure which of the three options you believe.
Very simple discernment.
The penalty of sin is death.
Jesus Christ paid that penalty for all sin once and for ever more.
This is why God is free to give us a regenerated human spirit at a moment’s notice, when He forgives us.
Good and Evil have not been so dealt with in His Plan at present.
Good and evil are resolved through time.
His Perfect Righteousness demands Perfect Judgment comprising His Perfect Holiness as presented in the Tabernacle and the Holy Seat.
Satan cannot restrain sin, and he parlays human good into sin and evil.
Not all sins are criminal. Not all sin is evil.
I’m sorry, your interpretation here is very strained to me.
But I’m curious as to one part.
>>”Not all sin is evil.”
What sin isn’t evil? And how are you defining both?
>>”Jesus Christ paid that penalty for all sin once and for ever more.”
No matter what ?
>>”This is why God is free to give us a regenerated human spirit at a moment’s notice, when He forgives us.”
Are you presuming He forgives you for all your future sins, no matter what?
Sorry, should have been clearer here:
>>”Jesus Christ paid that penalty for all sin once and for ever more.”
Does this mean all are saved: everyone, everywhere, always, no matter what ?
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