Posted on 12/13/2013 7:47:42 AM PST by GonzoII
>> “Saints are lots of fun to get to know.” <<
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Bizarre!
Do you never ask your loved ones to pray for you?
Do you never ask your loved ones to pray for you?
not when they are dead
Do you never ask your loved ones to pray for you?
Do you never ask your loved ones to pray for you?
Do you never ask your loved ones to pray for you?
Do you never ask your loved ones to pray for you?
To the pagan, they are dead. To the Christian, they are alive in Christ.
Of course, but I ask my living loved ones to pray for me to God the Father (Matthew 6:9, Ephesians 3:14) in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14: 13-14).
That is colossal difference. The Bible specifically warns about praying to anyone except God through His Son. That includes praying to dead people.
And we ask them for their prayers, we do not pray to them.
Pagans worship their ancestors.
God can hear and answer prayers, not dead humans.
The people who pray with the Saints do not.
God can hear and answer prayers, not dead humans.
No one said that dead humans answer prayers - why the non sequitur?
What I've clearly said is that we ask our loved ones to pray for us and we have faith in Christ that they are alive in Him.
Don't misstate my position, please.
Then you do not follow God's Word.
But I see you do believe yourself to have rid the beam from your own eye. Ok then as well.
And I hate to break it to you, but I don't follow the Vatican. You see the Roman Catholic, the Eastern Orthodox, and the Oriental Orthodox Churches, those which can actually trace their leadership and their teachings all the way back to the individual apostles, all teach the sound doctrine of praying with the saints.
And you don't see the one in yours.
It does not matter if it is the Vatican, Easter Orthodox, or whatever that declares certain dead people "saints" and tells people to pray to them for "intercession."
Again, that is not in Scripture, and is in fact contrary to God's Word.
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
1 Timothy 2:5
Know this: Praying to the dead is strictly forbidden in the Bible. Deuteronomy 18:11 tells us that anyone who “consults with the dead” is “detestable to the Lord.”
You know enough information to make your choice on this matter. Choose, if you haven't already. But remember, choose wisely. Our God is a God of mercy, but He is also a God of Wrath.
Asking others to pray for you is certainly in Scripture. On the basis of Christ's intercession for believers, who is present at the Right hand of God (Romans 8:34 ;Hebrews 7:25), it is argued that other people who have died but are alive in Christ may be able to intercede on behalf of the petitioner(John 11:25; Romans 8:38–39. So much for the "not in Scripture" falsehood.
If there shall be an angel speaking for him . . . He shall have mercy on him, and shall say: Deliver him, that he may not go down to corruption" (Job xxxiii, 23).
When thou didst pray with tears… I [Archangel Raphael] offered thy prayer to the Lord. (Tobit xii, 12)
And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. (Apoc., viii, 3, 4)
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My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
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