proselytizing is usually done with misinformation and not rooted in the “love of the other person” if more about scoreing points of getting someone to come to “my religion” Pope Francis as seen “proselytizing” done by groups such as JW, Adventist and some of the Fundalmentalist Bob Jones type Protestants in South America.

Evangelization is seen as revealing Christ by word and deed and let them encounter him thru his Bride the Church, which all baptized are part of, it does not, versus Proselytizing, rely on false accusations and agressive apologetics that misrepresents what someone believes. As someone who has been here at FR a long time, but does not post as much as it is same stuff different day around here [and same members of the Protestant Fundie brigades], aggressive proselytizing can be empirically observed by watching many FR Prots post here, in my view.

Thanks.

No, his response about proselytism was in response to the interviewer mentioning that his friends thought Francis was going to convert him. Francis is equating proselytism with conversion. Conversion is nonsense.

Evangelization *is* something else. Since Vatican II the focus has NOT been on the need to convert others to the Catholic Faith. It's more of a wishy washy, gee, let's have coffee and share our faiths...or better yet, let me participate in your non-Catholic service even though this was condemned for 1960 years.

I actually think there are better excerpts out there, but yes, I found myself gasping as I read this encyclical against Modernism.

For those who are scratching their heads, I highly suggest reading Pascendi as well as Mortalium Animos. The Vatican II church teaches heresy.

There probably are better excerpts, but since I haven’t finished reading and this was the one that jumped out at me when scanning, I posted it.

It’s really breathtaking that the Church since VatII teaches heresy and has done since Paul VI. (He was the one who did away with the requirement that all clergy, professors, etc. had to sign the “Oath Against Modernism.” surprise, surprise....)

It really makes me wonder what they teach in Seminary. Do they not read any of the Encyclicals of previous Popes? Anyone who reads them can figure it out. It takes a special kind of intellectual dishonesty to believe that something doesn’t say what it clearly says.

Pope Francis is a full-blown Modernist
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And you are basing this proclamation from an interview with an atheist who did not tape the interview and wrote about it from memory? So you are trusting the memory of an atheist? I do think this pope is naive about the ruthlessness of his enemies and is loose with his tongue. He doesn’t realize that everything he says will be warped and taken out of context by the many, many enemies of Catholicism, especially the lefties. He certainly needs to get a better press secretary so he doesn’t make confusing statements and double check that what written about he says is actually what he says, or thinks.

If you read “Pascendi Dominici Gregis” and then ALL of the statements that Pope Francis has made, you will come to the same conclusion, too.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid my friend.

Really, those of us who have come to this conclusion didn’t just base it on ONE comment by Francis. I suspect that those of us who have come to these conclusions have spent a long time coming to them (at least I have).

I’m not happy at all with my conclusions, but I refuse to bury my head in the sand any longer.

Open the other eye, too?

Bergoglio has scandalized Catholics and Orthodox Jews in Argentina – with his ongoing "interfaith dialogue" and honoring of Abraham Skorka, a liberal rabbi of the Benei Tikva community in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has scandalized Catholics and Orthodox Jews in Argentina – with his ongoing "interfaith dialogue" and honoring of Abraham Skorka, a liberal rabbi of the Benei Tikva community in Buenos Aires. Skorka, who openly supports homosexual unions, is also the rector of the Seminario Rabínico Latinoamericano (Latin American Rabbinical Seminary). Skorka is known for his heretical charlatanism, offensive in both Catholic and Jewish circles. Skorka, who openly supports homosexual unions, is also the rector of the Seminario Rabínico Latinoamericano (Latin American Rabbinical Seminary). Skorka is known for his heretical charlatanism, offensive in both Catholic and Jewish circles

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/marielena/130316

Something very wrong with this excess of ecumenism which is apparently of the sort that is willing to overlook such blatant disregard for Biblical teachings. I read a link on another thread that Pope Francis has hosted this pro-homosexual Rabbi at his Vatican guest house and plans to travel with him to the Holy Land.

Sukkot in the Vatican: Rabbi spent the holidays with Pope Francis

By Daniel TreimanOctober 1, 2013 6:02pm

Rabbi Abraham Skorka from Argentina recently spent several days in the Vatican, hanging out with his good friend and countryman Pope Francis and staying at the guest house that the modest pontiff has made his residence.

La Stampa’s Vatican Insider has the story:

Never before in the history of Christian-Jewish relations have a Pope and a Rabbi celebrated their friendship by living in the Vatican together for several days, sharing all meals, including on two Jewish festivals and the Sabbath at which the Rabbi said prayers in Hebrew, and discussing what more they can do together to promote dialogue and peace in the world.
That is what actually happened over the past four days at the Vatican guesthouse (Santa Marta) where Pope Francis lives and where his friend from Buenos Aires, Rabbi Abraham Skorka, has been his guest from September 25 to this day.
“I eat with him at breakfast, lunch and dinner every day. He cares for me, and controls everything regarding my food to makes sure it is all kosher, and according to my religious tradition. These are festive days, and I have to say certain prayers at meals and, I expand the last prayer and translate it. He accompanies me together with the others at table -his secretaries and a bishop, and they all say ‘Amen’ at the end”, the Rabbi said.

Skorka, the rector of the Latin American Rabbinic Seminary, got to know the future pope in Argentina. The two men conducted a series of interreligious dialogues back when Francis was still known as Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires. The dialogues were later published in book form.

Skorka told Vatican Insider that he and the pope hope to travel together soon to Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

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probably inadvisable

cos the Bible tells me so

You didn't answer my question. How is prayer, fasting and "sacrifice" going to help?
How did it help the 50 million who died in WWII? Maybe they should have fasted more ...

CT,
Thanks for taking time to share your views. I generally agree with what you expressed, with a few small caveats...

1. The group from which a person leaves after coming to Christ almost always asserts their views were represented. If they were not misrepresented, why would someone ever leave their group? They alone have truth. Not so much.

2. If you can argue someone into the kingdom, someone else can argue them out. In neither case, did someone actually entrust themselves to Christ.

3. I personally do not care what good denomination a Christian chooses as his home of worship. If he is a believer truly, he will choose one that reflects truth and not liberal or ecclesiastical lies.

It is about Christ, His gathering He established, His glory and His bride.

How did it help the 50 million who died in WWII? Maybe they should have fasted more ...
You could show any type of shock-photo you wish; it doesn't mean prayer, fasting, and sacrifice, hasn't helped the souls of not only those who participate in it, but the souls for whom they pray. It's called belief, faith, hope..

In recent decades though, and in religious parlance, some have used the term proselytism to refer to “hard sell” techniques for gaining converts that often are disrespectful of the conscience, human dignity, and personal convictions of the person who is being proselytized, while evangelism is used is refer to respectful means of witnessing to one’s own faith while respecting those who are being evangelized.

If the more recent distinction between the two terms is recognized, then Catholics are called to evangelism and not to proselytism.

Hm.....

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.” - Jesus, Matt 23

51 “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, 53 you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”

54 Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. 55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. - Stephen Acts 7

“45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began to contradict what was spoken by Paul, reviling him. 46 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.” - St Paul, Acts 13

You are so welcome!!!

Anytime!!!

It's called belief, faith, hope ...
Once again you've avoided answering.