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Present Tribulation vs. Future Tribulation
bibleprophecyblog.com ^ | July 6, 2011 | Dr. Thomas Ice

Posted on 10/04/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by jodyel

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To: smvoice; CynicalBear
Yes, we all know of the prophecy. That is what makes up about 80% of the Bible.

No, ALL of the Bible was inspired. ALL of it is prophecy.

But, what about The Mystery? Something that was NOT prophesied, but hid in God from BEFORE the foundation of the world, until revealed to Paul by revelationS of the risen Christ?

The mystery must be in the prophecy (and it is), in order for it to be confirmed. It was hidden until it happened, just like Daniel required Hanukkah, Purim, and the Revelation of Yeshua in order for it to be calculated...

That makes up about 20%, but it's a BIG 20%. The most important part you will ever be a part of. And you are, you know, part of it, whether you want to be or not. Because we are LIVING in it. And have been since Paul was saved. And WILL be until the Church the Body of Christ is raptured.

No, it is from the cross, not from Paul. You forget Peter and Cornelius. And Isaiah. And you must understand that every argument has to come from the Tanakh because the NT had not been written yet. Definitions, pictures, allegory all must derive in the OT. That is where Yeshua was proven to those in His time..

921 posted on 10/21/2013 5:40:32 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: CynicalBear; smvoice; WVKayaker; editor-surveyor; roamer_1
I haven't been taking part of much in this conversation, but have been following it. It has become clear to me that some people are bound into scholarship, as opposed to seeking truth as led by the Holy Spirit.

In Bible college, I learned some Greek. From a local rabbi, I learned some Hebrew. As previously stated, I have no claim as a scholar. But, what I do have is the Holy Spirit alive in me. That is the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead. It is the same Spirit that Jesus promised that he would send when he left this earth. It is the same Spirit that quickens our mortal souls.

I have studied the Scriptures for more than 40 years now, diligently trying to show myself approved. I can say that I know my Savior. His Holy Spirit has shown me the schoolmaster we learn from the Old Testament. He proved through all those writers that he is a Holy God and speaks through men who can fail. But the Holy Spirit is God moving in our lives and keeping us until that day. It is the New Testament that reveals the way…

Titus 3: 3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 1

1 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

922 posted on 10/21/2013 5:41:52 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: CynicalBear
don’t ever consider that I will even once believe that God was unable to protect His name.

He is perfectly able to protect His Name. But it is also prophesied that His people would forget His Name. Don't you think that might have somewhat to do with it's hiding in your Bible, and using generalities like Hashem and God (as you did just above)?

Why do you suppose Hosea tells of a day when we would no longer call Him 'baali' (LORD, yeah, Ba'al means 'lord') and would call him husband instead? What wife would use a title to address her husband?

923 posted on 10/21/2013 5:50:03 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: WVKayaker; smvoice; editor-surveyor; roamer_1
>>It is the New Testament that reveals the way… <<

Amen and Amen! If we can’t trust that 100% we have nothing.

924 posted on 10/21/2013 5:55:29 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: roamer_1

You keep referring to the English translations. I refer to the original Greek texts we have available to us which are the only texts God preserved for us. Stop posting your man’s wisdom to me.


925 posted on 10/21/2013 6:00:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: roamer_1; CynicalBear; WVKayaker
You are simply wrong. Compare Luke 1:70: "As he SPAKE by the mouth of his holy prophets which have been SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN"; "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which GOd hath SPOKEN by the mouth of all his holy prophets SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN"; "Yea, and all the prophets FROM Samuel and THOSE THAT FOLLOW AFTER,..."(Acts 3:21,24) with:

Rom. 16:25, Eph. 3:9, and Col. 1:26: "NOW to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to THE REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY, which was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN" (ROm. 16:25); "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of THE MYSTERY, which FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD HATH BEEN HID IN GOD, who created all things by Jesus Christ"(Eph. 3:9); "Even THE MYSTERY which hath been HID FROM AGES AND GENERATIONS, but NOW is made MANIFEST to his saints" (Col. 1:26).

There is a GREAT DIFFERENCE between that which was "SPOKEN by the mouth of all [God's] holy prophets since the world began" and that which was "KEPT SECRET since the world began".

You might want to re-think your position on this, since it FLIES in the face of what God has CLEARLY stated.

926 posted on 10/21/2013 6:03:23 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice; CynicalBear

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain...


927 posted on 10/21/2013 6:08:25 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker

Yes, WVKayaker. Thank you for the reminder:)


928 posted on 10/21/2013 6:11:37 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: WVKayaker; smvoice

Claiming the New Testament is only 95% correct is not “foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law”. It is Satan’s attempt to discredit the word of God to us today.


929 posted on 10/21/2013 6:18:11 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Titus 3:...9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.


930 posted on 10/21/2013 7:04:20 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker
I’m needing some clarification here. Are you saying that when someone says the New Testament is only 95% correct it’s something we should not oppose? Are you saying that we should not defend the infallibility of scripture? Help me understand what you are trying to get at.

The only thing that evil needs to triumph is for good men to say nothing.

931 posted on 10/21/2013 7:09:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

My only point here is found in that scripture. I see the word heretic and apply it to that someone making such claims. I also see in my mind the old saying about “beating a dead horse”.

Neither of these Jewish wannabes make sense with their claims, when we have such a clear explanation from Paul. I will apply real rat poison theory to your 95%. Rat poison is good food like corn or other things, but it is that 5% other that kills.

Evil has been with us since before our creation. The Holy Spirit eliminates confusion and has shown us the right way. You can try and speak truth to a wall, but it’s still going to be a wall!


932 posted on 10/21/2013 7:18:05 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker

Ah! Thanks for clarifying. I’m only posting the counter to speak truth to the lurkers who may begin to doubt the infallibility of the scriptures. Satan’s attack on God’s word is relentless. I don’t really expect the walls to hear.


933 posted on 10/21/2013 7:26:07 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
"It is Satan’s attempt to discredit the word of God to us today"

Since that same Word is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (a heart that is deceitful above all things,desperately wicked and not fully knowable)it's no small wonder he has so many accomplices deceived by a heart desperate to avoid that two edged sword!...so that IT can remain 'lord' and continue to drive the thinking!

It's all over this RF like a rash some days.Cant fully trust it,it's not the final authority in matters of faith,it's poetry and myth,there's other secret hidden knowledge,there's mistakes,there's additions,there's things missing,we wrote it,it's ours and we will tell you what it really means etc etc etc...

This little black duck will work out his OWN salvation with fear and trembling and satan will take his rightful place in the dirt under our feet!

934 posted on 10/21/2013 7:27:13 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and electiontsure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501
>> It's all over this RF like a rash some days<<

And as the end nears it will only get worse we have been told. The more I see the more tightly I hold to the true word of truth.

935 posted on 10/21/2013 7:32:29 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: smvoice; roamer_1; CynicalBear
>> “But, what about The Mystery?” <<

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The mystery that Paul mentioned, that the “seed of Abraham” was scattered among the gentiles?

What especially is it that you see in it?

Starting in Romans, Paul makes it plain that one must be of that seed to be saved, all that are saved are the Seed of Abraham.

Rom.4:

[1] What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
[2] For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
[3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
[4] Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
[7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
[8] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
[9] Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
[10] How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
[11] And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
[12] And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
[13] For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

936 posted on 10/21/2013 7:42:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear
"The more I see the more tightly I hold to the true word of truth."

AMEN!

I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name....Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Rev 3:8,10)

BTW,I think that 'open door' that no man can shut is the rapture of the church.

937 posted on 10/21/2013 7:47:46 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and electiontsure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: editor-surveyor; smvoice; roamer_1
One more preposterous claim from total lack of understanding.

Romans 15:27 They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews' spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.

938 posted on 10/21/2013 7:53:04 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: mitch5501
>> BTW,I think that 'open door' that no man can shut is the rapture of the church.<<

Hmnmm, hadn’t connected that one. Will have to give that some thought. The assurance for those of us who are faithful to be kept from that wrath is comforting. Gives a peace in these days that most don’t understand.

939 posted on 10/21/2013 7:57:37 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
The church that has a little strength and has kept His Word has an open door set before it and is promised to be kept from the hour of trial.The church that thinks it has it all and has need of nothing has a closed door which Jesus says he stands at and knocks and that same church is counseled to buy gold "tried in the fire"

It seems those that think they have it all are unaware of their own nakedness (ie:no robe)and will possibly go through the hour of trial.

940 posted on 10/21/2013 8:09:30 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and electiontsure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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